This is another one to be closed until real news comes out. It’s not productive at this point.
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Is there news for this?
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Maybe the Qataris will retain Jared to work on this project.
Ivanka Trump, Jared Kushner rub shoulders with Qatar PM at World Cup (nypost.com)
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Just did some research on this site. The 900K sq feet that can be built here could easily be the tallest building in the world.
You’re talking stacking two 432 Parks on top of each other.
Penthouses for half a billion dollars.
Regardless of what I speculate, the Qataris will build something magnificent here.
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I think that the Qataris will build a landmark here.
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This site is zoned for a base FAR of 15 before bonus FAR is added, which is approximately 500,000 sqft. That would make it more or less the same size of 432 Park Ave.
I’d very much like to know where you’re pulling 900,000 sqft from.
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It would require ULURP. This was discussed on skyscraperpage a while back.
Here is the excerpt from an article that came out in 2015 when the Qataris purchased the hotel.
Insiders said the new owners are eyeing options including constructing a new building on a portion of the parcel where there is now a swimming pool, or demolishing the entire structure and erecting a 900,000-square-foot tower. The buyers inked the contract last year to purchase the hotel.
The new owner could develop about 600,000 square feet as-of-right, but if the site were put through the city’s uniform land use review process, known as ULURP, the building could grow to as much as 900,000 square feet, a person familiar with the site said.
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But that’s just an if/hypothetical, the site shouldn’t be viewed as such if it’s an unknown.
And when it comes to the height factor, the planned development with the version that would go through the ULURP was only planned at 1,500’. There’s no reason that a skinny tower like 111 W 57th would be built on a site of these dimensions as it’s not being restricted by anything, which is the reason 111 W 57th is so skinny. This tower would not be 2,792’ (two 432 Park Ave towers as you suggest) either way.
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Yeah, it’s definitely hypothetical, but these insiders don’t suggest things like that if they aren’t at least being seriously discussed.
They could build a tower that high if they included a magnificent plaza or water feature. Nothing would be forcing the Qataris to use the entire site for the base of the tower.
A retail and amenities podium would beg to differ. (Like in the old Shvo Proposal)
I respect your wild enthusiasm/optimism, but no a tower could not be built that tall regardless of what extraneous features are included, engineering would not allow for that (a tower with the same footprint as some of the 57th St towers) as the taller a tower rises with today’s technology the wider the base has to be, per Burj Khalifa and Kingdom Tower, even though I know you like to believe they don’t exist, engineering and physics still do.
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Fair enough. I am not an engineer nor an architect, so that’s where I will bow out. You bring good info.
I do not want it
can the thread remain open.
You do not want what?
I don’t believe anyone suggested to close the thread since it was reopened from being closed, which really, there’s been no new news since it was reopened.
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thank you. that this is open again because it was my fault.
Doesn’t the FAA have the last word on building height, especially when there are 3 major airports in the vicinity?
That is a definite, yes. 
Commercial airplanes do not necessarily fly directly over Manhattan (but do sometimes) when landing or taking off at JFK and LGA in general (as landing patterns either follow a Hudson or East River path), planes are already at an altitude of 1200’ 5 miles from the airport when landing. This is why Brooklyn and Queens have relatively low skylines, more so due to LGA than JFK. I don’t believe EWR planes ever really fly into NYC airspace, the planes actually even fly west of Staten Island.
I’m sure the FAA imposes those height restriction in the case that a plane does need to make an emergency landing when it can not follow a designated flight path. But I am not aware nor in the zoning does it explicitly mention a set height, it just all involves a lot of calculations from the approach of the runways end.
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Found this 595ft design by CNY group from 2020, Curiously it says it’s “in progress” I am still not sure if this officially is the final design.
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