NEW YORK | S.S. United States | 53,330 GRT | 990 FT

I’m starting a discussion topic about an old icon “S.S. United States”.

Rendering from the S,S. United States


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I think it’s time to build a skyscraper that looks like a ship standing on end.


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From Philly Inquirer -
The SS United States, the luxury ocean liner once known as the “queen of the seas,” appears to be in troubled waters, again. The now-rusty ship could lose its berth at Pier 82 along South Columbus Boulevard, its home since 1996, because of a rent dispute.

It’s the latest sign of distress for what the ship’s caretakers call “a symbol of post-World War II American exceptionalism,” as they struggle to preserve the slice of history that once hosted presidents, royalty, and celebrities, such as Marilyn Monroe and Elizabeth Taylor.

Penn Warehousing & Distribution Inc., Pier 82′s landlord, says the SS United States Conservancy, the Washington, D.C.-based nonprofit caring for the ship, has not paid a rent increase in place since late 2021. Penn Warehousing is seeking the ship’s ejection and back rent in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania.

Filings lay out how both parties entered a berthing agreement in 2011, in which the conservancy agreed to pay $850 a day to stay at Pier 82. Costs stayed flat for more than a decade until Penn Warehousing doubled the daily rent to $1,700 in August 2021, citing rising maintenance costs.

The interior of the SS United States at Pier 82 in Philadelphia in July 2021.HEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer

In a counterclaim, the conservancy argues there was no mechanism in the lease that would allow Penn Warehousing to unilaterally increase the rent. The conservancy says it was given only two weeks’ notice of the increase while its donor tours, a major fund-raising tool, were simultaneously hampered as pier access was closed from August to November of that year due to ongoing repairs. By Penn Warehousing’s account, Philadelphia River Port Authority initiated repairs due to the conservancy’s failure to properly moor or tend the lines to the ocean liner.

After the new rent went into effect, Penn Warehousing said the conservancy continued to pay the original $850 a day. By March 2022, the landlord decided to terminate its berthing agreement with the conservancy citing more than $160,000 in back rent that continues to accrue. Penn Warehouse asked the nonprofit to move the vessel, which the conservancy has yet to do.

Attorneys for Penn Warehousing declined to comment on pending litigation. A settlement hearing is slated for March. If the parties can’t come to an agreement, a civil jury trial is planned for the fall.

In a statement, the conservancy said it continues “to pursue all available avenues for a mutually agreeable resolution.

“Forcing our nonprofit organization into a position that imperils the preservation and redevelopment of the SS United States, an historic icon recognized the world over, is not in the country’s interest,” wrote a conservancy representative in an email.

Jorge Gonzalez gives a tour of the SS United States ocean liner at Pier 82 in Philadelphia in July 2021.HEATHER KHALIFA / Staff Photographer

At the time of its 1952 christening, the SS United States was a feat of engineering. It could hold 2,000 passengers and a crew of 1,000. The vessel broke the record for the fastest Atlantic crossing and could transform into a military vessel capable of carrying thousands of troops. The ocean liner’s significance landed it on the National Register of Historic Places.

Still, the conservancy has long struggled to find a way forward for the American-made ocean liner.

Despite its history, the ship was almost sold for scrap in 2010 by its then-owner, Norwegian Cruise Line. The ship was only spared that fate when philanthropist H.F. “Gerry” Lenfest — the late former owner of The Inquirer and whose Lenfest Institute now owns the paper — pledged $5.8 million that allowed the conservancy to buy the ocean liner. But by 2015, the conservancy was once again sending an SOS, frantically raising money to avoid the scrapyard. The following year, the possibility of making the ocean liner functional again was ruled out.

The latest efforts to repurpose the ship came in March 2020 when RXR Realty LLC of New York announced plans to turn the ship into a hotel and museum complex. In its 2022 year-end annual appeal to donors, the conservancy said its partnership with RXR Realty continued, without going into specifics.

Should the conservancy have to move the SS United States because of the dispute, it would be no easy feat.

According to court documents submitted by the conservancy, moving the ship would take months to coordinate and cost tens of thousands of dollars. The ship that once broke the transatlantic speed record is now incapable of self-propulsion. The conservancy argues there’s a shortage of available docks due to the COVID-19 pandemic disruptions, further complicating a sudden move.

Published Jan. 31, 2023


Holy crap! I hope they get their act together, I love seeing this ship



Probably best to scrap it. If you have Max, they have a show about it -

That documentary is from 2008. And I heavily believe they should save this iconic ship. It’s sad it seems no one cares, she’s the fastest ocean liner in the world. And still is a beautiful ship, I never get tired of looking at it


Yes it would be great to save it but I doubt it would turn a profit these days. Modern cruise ships look like giant floating Hiltons.

Here’s another video. He describes the decline more in depth -

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„ The full design program, developed over the last several years in conjunction with two prominent New York firms, RXR and MCR Hotels, would repurpose the legendary ocean liner as a unique, mixed-use destination, including a 1,000 key hotel, numerous food and beverage destinations, multiple event venues, acres of public green space, and a world-class museum. The bold and exciting plan preserves the ship’s history and activates the vessel’s commercial potential.

The conceptual plan for a privately funded, commercial redevelopment identified Manhattan’s Hudson River as the optimal “home port” for the vessel, due to its proximity to transportation and pedestrian access to the Javits Convention Center. The project would entail the redesign and reconstruction of adjacent piers, which would create acres of new public green space aboard the vessel and adjoining areas. It could also be adapted for other major urban waterfront destinations.

A full briefing on the proposed program for the SS United States by RXR and Conservancy representatives, as well as discussion of remaining challenges associated with advancing the vessel’s redevelopment, will be held on Tuesday, November 7 at 12pm (eastern time). Click HERE to register to attend.


This would be incredible :heart_eyes:
NYC’s own Queen Mary.


The Queen Mary’s future in Long Beach was not all that certain recently. Don’t get me wrong, I’d like to see the SS United States here in NYC, but the QM is a much better example (and a well preserved one) of the golden age of ocean liners.


It’s very expensive to visit. :slightly_frowning_face:

Westbound record breakers

Eastbound record breakers

At which pier in New York did the S.S. Normandie capsize? For many, she is the most beautiful ship to cross the Atlantic.

Credit: ss NORMANDIE 1935-1942 XII - The Most Beautiful Ocean Liner Ever Built

Postcard 1935


Pier 88 according to Wiki.

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Sill a few relics of the Normandie to be found in NYC

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