NEW YORK | Penn Station Expansion/Improvements

they gave the OG MSG a curved facade, so people would stop asking for the MSG Sphere :rofl:

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“We want the MSG Sphere.”

“We got MSG Sphere at home…”

Doubly ironic because it’s literally MSG’s home.

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Q & A

Q: What is the most expensive way to apply lipstick on a pig?

A: Make Madison Square Garden look more like a sphere.

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I’d rather just keep MSG the way it is versus that MSG Sphere lol.

Although ugly, and a giant toilet as seen from the air, MSG is, well… history. Its horrible look is what gives it the heritage, just like the decaying Penn Station bathrooms full of people showering in the sink and an out of service stall that’s been out of service since 1999. Its all about the image!

It wouldn’t be a proper NYC experience without a train signal problem that results in 40 minute delays and a lackluster toilet experience. And a broken escalator. I’m just saying!

Frustration is the glue that keeps the city going!

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But then we get to bragplain about everything we have to slog through!

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agreed. if anything, just do a facade replacement to spruce it up a bit. the interior is satisfactory as is.

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Gary is in a roll @5Bfilms


Gary Hershorn / X

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Pretty nice classical design for a Penn/MSG coexistence I saw on Instagram (credit to Richard Wilson Cameron)






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Sorry I totally disagree. I find that totally tacky in a garish Las Vegas kind of way.

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Yeah, you can’t shoehorn the past into the present.

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that is too pretty to ever get built

besides, you’ll get a very strong cohort of haters who will say things like “we can’t build beautiful architecture anymore because it is anachronistic” :roll_eyes:

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oh, right on cue :rofl:

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I absolutely love it

I disagree. Stern, among others, does it on a regular basis. And much of that architecture is first rate.

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I’m somewhere in the middle. I appreciate the amount of work that went into this design, but don’t love a number of the specific choices. I find the decorative towers (cupolas? Not sure what we’d call these) pretty gaudy. And the dome gives me a kind of anachronistic dissonance — it’s sort of like the glass roofs of grand old rail stations, but the futuristic shape throws things into uncanny valley.

I don’t mind the idea of rebuilding the original exterior of Penn, as long as it’s executed to perfection. But tacking on a PoMo reclad of MSG on top ruins the whole thing to me. If we were to go in this direction, I would rather the station and arena were visually distinct — classic below, modern above.

Hearst Tower is the best example New Yorkers would be familiar with, and I’d also point to the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto as an example I like quite a bit (not in terms of the actual design, but the level of contrast between old and new):

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I’m still partial to the ASTM proposal, I like that one the best.

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Wow is that bad. Look at me at its worst.

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It’s pretty bad, but it’s funny how the mind works. In time, bad architectural decisions change the brain into thinking that’s just the way it is and should be.

For example, can anyone imagine the Louvre without I.M. Pei’s ridiculous glass pyramid?

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Condescend a little more why don’t you :joy:

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(Stealth reader here) I don’t like the traditional design at all but I do appreciate it pays homage to the original MSG. Even though it wasn’t even at this location…

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