If the city doesn’t renew the permit, then they don’t have to convince Dolan unless he wants to limits games and concerts to 2,500 people. The city holds all of the cards.
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Come on, let’s keep the MSG related permit stuff out of the Penn Station thread. I understand that the two are interconnected, but the issue atm with MSG does not involve Penn Station, it will after a permit is issued or not.
Why is there so much negativity towards the recent proposal, what about it makes people think that it is such a half-assed solution (as is being thrown around so much). The new proposal is nowhere near being half-assed. It solves a problem in an extremely efficient manner.
~Not doing anything more than what has been done would be considered half-assed.
~Leaving MSG as is would be half-assed.
Removing the entire theater and it’s support spaces is far from being half assed because the “main” stretch of platform stairs sit directly underneath the theater. While I still don’t like the giant added box, the new proposal still allows natural light to actually flow into the concourse/train hall, and there will actually be a train hall created in the void that is left from the theater being removed. Penn Station will be world class station with the new proposal. World class doesn’t mean something has to be brand spanking new or have 150’ ceiling (like the unrealistic original Chakrabarti plan envisioned) or be completely light filled, it just means it has to perform efficiently, be easily accessible and able to handle traffic/congestion, and be generally appealing to the costumers that will be using the facility.
From a general standpoint it seems like there’s an equal amount of people that dislike the proposal or agree entirely with my view that the proposal is both practical and feasible. I just really would like to know why some people don’t think it’s “enough”, or that’s what it seems like from the various posts that dislike the proposal. Previous reasons given don’t really support the notion that the proposal is half-assed.
And in the end if MSG does eventually move and the building demolished, well good for anyone/everyone, but that still doesn’t mean that all the construction that has happened will just be completely overhauled and a “brand new” station completely rebuilt. People need to view this case in a worst case scenario viewpoint. Anything can happen, but some expectations are a little unrealistic.
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robert, congratulations on your pending retirement!
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Thanks, Stache! 40 years is a long time. I’ll be splitting my time between the Upper West Side and Marco Island.
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Robert, you can’t live down here. This is where people come to die.
Not you! Older people!
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Psst - He’s pretty creaky -
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Will they be able to compete with Krispy Kreme?
Midtown West is so junky and nasty. We need real vision here and bold ideas, which means MSG has to go. The whole city is being held hostage by that dirty vacuum filter.
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This is such a mess…
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What is that, Tomorrowland?
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No, that is the Intl Airport in Singapore. Consistently ranked as one of the best in the world.
Though I don’t how it relates to Penn.
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As a comparison of how bad Penn Station is. Singapore used to be a third world country not too long ago and now they casually build stuff like that.
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Any plan where MSG remains compromises the site. The city and the state must put their foot down and get rid of it. It’s an old sports complex, not the Eiffel Tower. There’s zero reason that NYC - one of only two Alpha++ global cities, with a 2.1T GDP - should be denied the world-class train station that it requires because of a 60-year old piece of junk.
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I want to get rid of MSG too but it would have to move somewhere else. Cities need big sports venues for prestige purposes, about as important as having a ballet company.
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That doesn’t affect current expansion and improvement efforts.
The current expansion and Gateway project are separate projects from the overall renovation and expansion of the station.
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Yeah , I know, but the Empire Station Complex could not get build and hence, 15Penn…
It was the most exciting proposal in Midtown.