That wasn’t the main premise of the article at all. I quoted the main premise because Fisher literally says they have no plans to relocate, that is the complete opposite of the view that they are conceding. You’re under the impression of several of the CB 5 committee members that the statement Fisher made meant anything, and it’s clear that it didnt. Also, there are no arenas in the area for the MSG teams to move to, that’s already been discussed before. They can not move unless a new arena is already built.
@mcart I know your post is directed in the first person at the MSG BoD, but it sounds so condescending and directed at me lol.
Pure hypothetical, but if MSG was too go to HY I’d love to see the new layout of the whole area. (And if they get a casino license)
Casino resortish tower with MSG right nearby, large park with residential towers nearby. (Plus the various attractions apart of phase 1 and the huge mall). Then there’s the highline right there and javits down the street. And eventually an entirely new PABT just a bit further down the street. (And possibly the cities second tallest building)
If we conceptualize that the planned resort would be located on either a portion or all of the northern 1/3rd block of the entire HY Phase II site, a MSG move to Phase II would actually take up all of the other 2 blocks, effectively removing much of the space that the residential towers and park area were on. I would much rather prefer more apartments be built than for MSG to takeover/replace them.
MSG can stay where it is as like I mentioned before, proponents still have yet to show a solution that would actually benefit Penn Station. And those few proponents that are simply against just the stadium itself, and not necessarily troubled by it being on top of Penn Station, only say it is ugly, which it can always be reclad.
More proposals have been shown involving renovations to MSG that would benefit Penn Station more than those that have removed it.
MSG, as it exists right now, takes up 66% across 2 blocks whereas its 3 older predecessors were only contained in a single block. We can assume that the arena would be made bigger in a new version, which “would” take up more space, but generally even if it was the same size, it’d still remove alot of the towers and park space currently planned in HY Phase II.
If MSG does (likely) stay in place, the Hulu theater needs to go. It would give a grand entrance on the 8th ave side and more natural lighting. They really need to squeeze Dolan’s balls and get the most for Penn Station if MSG stays in place. For the people who are confused with the overall project, break it down into three parts.
1- Penn station Renovation
2- Expansion of Penn Station
3- The new towers around Penn Station
The towers south of Penn would only happen if the expansion goes through, this is why the board from the state gave the green light for the renovation of Penn Station only not the expansion. Now the alternative is moving MSG all together so you have basically an above ground station rather than below ground (minus the tracks itself). Overall, this is a huge mega project and a lot to think about, lol.
This concept by Woods Bagot I found would probably be the most realistic solution for MSG. It basically deletes the theatre creating a beautiful sunlit lobby for Penn while MSG gets a much-needed recladding and facelift. It’d be the most realistic solution since it’s unlikely MSG is going to move and Penn Station gets a much-needed nicer entrance. I also appreciate the inclusion of glass blocks on the floor of the Penn Station entrance in this concept which would permit sunlight once again to reach down to track level.
Realistically, not moving it would be the best option. MSG is an iconic venue that has hosted countless events and performances throughout its history. The cost of constructing a new arena would be exorbitant, and that doesn’t even include the cost to buy land, demolish existing buildings, and building the infrastructure around it to support the millions of visitors each year. Moreover, renovating the existing building can not only improve the arena but make the transit hub more stunning and truly worthy of NY.
Oml. I keep seeing that word being thrown around. Just because it’s old does not make it iconic. (And just because it’s new and large doesn’t make it iconic either cough 350 Park cough )
Icon : a person or thing regarded as a representative symbol or as worthy of veneration.
I.e. Not Madison Square Garden.
Also, regardless of whether it would better or worse to move it, or any of that stuff, I want it gone. If only because the only reason the permit was extended in the first place was so they could have time to find a place to move too. They chose not too look for one, that’s their problem not the cities.
Having finally read in detail about the OP, the City unequivocally holds all of the cards. It’s time to play hardball with the Dolans. While they own the land and the building, if the OP expires, they can’t host the Knicks, Rangers, converts, etc. The City, therefore, can force them to move.
