Oh boy, this is getting interesting⌠
Live as of now (talking about MSG):
Yeah I saw it. Just gonna wait till itâs over, I donât like watching things live.
MSG is fairly conciliatory in its presentation.
It looks like theyâre finally getting the message.
Glad to see that MSG isnât compatible with the railroads.
Nostalgia for all the good times someone has had in a stadium should not cloud their judgment. Stadiums are just stadiums.
The fact that people are defending a horrible public transit setup because of âgood olâ daysâ emotions is insane. Use your brain people.
I agree. Before I took a corporate job, I used to ride the LIRR a lot, and itâs utterly deplorable. Itâs not the way 600k people per day should enter one of the greatest cities in the world.
Iâve always thought that the city should buy this 7th Ave parcel from Vornado and build a grandiose entry here.
Its INSANE eminent domain hasnât been used yet to clear out this abomination of an area. Slum lords are slum lords and wonât just magically change.
You could combine the Marriott Marquis and 1515 Broadway into a superblock and put the new MSG right there. That would be my plan.
That wouldnât even account for 60% of the lot size of MSG where it currently stands.
I was experimenting with google maps and attempted to superimpose MSG over the two properties ( Marriott Marquis and 1515 Broadway) to see how much space it would take.
Itâd be possible for MSG to fit in a combined superblock but itâd require obtaining more than just those two towers to permit MSG to exist there. The blocks are the right width if combined but itâd consume a lot more space than the horizontal length of those two towers.
With MSG overlaid:
No MSG (red box is MSG footprint):
The N/S length is more than sufficient because it is 6â wider in that direction due to the nonuniformity of the grids in the N/S direction. Yes, it would/could technically fit anywhere in most places in Manhattan when you try to combine blocks, but for this area in particular, all the other lots that would be consumed contain landmarked buildings/theaters so they can not be altered/demolished. Not to mention that I donât know why anyone would want to demolish one of the largest hotels in the city unless itâd also be replaced in the process, of which there would not be enough zoning for.
And no, for anyone wondering or thinking just do something with the theaters like at TSX Broadway and the Palace Theater, only the interior was landmarked, not the whole building, the buildings and their entirety to the west of the Marriott Marquis and 1515 Broadway are landmarked.
I understand that itâs just a theoretical, but blocks also cannot be merged/stuff canât be built above a street anymore. Only lots can be merged.
I feel like the Jacob Javits Center could be retro fitted into a stadium / convention center hybrid.
Thatâs certainly possibly, but itâd be an unfeasibly large undertaking that would disrupt operations at the convention center because it is not designed to support the infrastructure of an arena let alone a stadium, MSG is an arena, not a stadium.
I didnât realize there was a difference, is it just size?
Take off the glass atrium and I feel like you could set an arena right on top of the convention center. Iâm not engineer / architect but I do know logistics. I feel like this is more logistically feasible than most of the stuff thats been proposed.