The city should make MSG go to Phase 2. It seems that the city could simply refuse to renew the operating permit.
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Looks like the NY Times picked up on the news for an HY casino.
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I still think all the residential wouldâve (if they are indeed going forward with the casino resort idea and abandoning the original plans) been the better option because the city (desperately) needs the units to offset the current absurd pricing and demand.
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Phase Two is a large area. I imagine if the casino is approved it would only be part of the master plan. The article mentions it being adjacent to the Javits Center. Maybe if it fronts 33rd Street the clientele would have less interaction with other (residential) parts of the site.
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The articles are referencing the whole Western Yards as being adjacent to Javits, not necessarily the new proposal, but the articles also speak of the original plan in the past tense by saying Related had âinitiallyâ planned to build residential, offices, and a school, meaning that the casino would take up the whole area of Phase II.
While I would like to think that itâd be better for it to take up only a portion, that would not make it profitable to be so small. The Encore Boston Harbor (a relatively small and average sized property compared to the enormous casino resorts in Las Vegas) takes up 33 acres, Phase II is only 13, if it were to only take up what would technically be a single block of the 3 blocks (4 acres) it would be absurdly small.
A 13-acre casino resort on the west side of New York City is absurd.
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Well itâs New York, so instead of the Vegas way (going out), make the the thing go up. I think it would be interesting to see how big a casino they could fit in some supertalls.
Course I donât know how to design a casino resort so idk
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Well if we use Las Vegas as an example, Fontainebleau LV is around 730â on a 23 acre lot so they can definitely go up high. Maximize the views from the Hudson on one side and the views of the city from the other.
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The entire complex would undoubtedly be multiple stories (not including a (possibly multiple) hotel/residential tower), but the casino itself would not be smashed into a tower footprint. Casinos like large open plans, even Resorts World NYCâs gaming floor is larger than a Hudson Yards block at ~200,000 sqft (a block being 158,000) albeit across 3 floors and the total property being around 1.5 million sqft.
@NYCityBoy the idea that the entire 13 acres would be covered in construction like a second Javit center is absurd, there will undoubtedly be open space and probably only about 9 or 10 of the 13 acres is buildable.
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Its probably better to use properties outside of Las Vegas for comparison, because those megaresorts are on extremely vast acres of land, have thousands of feet of gaming floor area and thousands of hotel rooms. Im not doubting your comparison, because im sure the âmainâ hotel tower will be big if there are several towers, I just dont think it will be Las Vegas big. Lol
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I just wanted to highlight that casino resorts can build very tall structures for hotels and possibly hotel residences. (Wynn Diamond Macau comes to mind as well). Yes, there are vast differences between the 2 sites, especially when you add in the complex underground infrastructure at the Yards compared to the nothing on the Strip lol. Itâll be interesting to see how they deal with that and the giant amount of parking required.
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To be honest, I much prefer the more used swooping design (Original Wynn/ Encore, Encore Boston, Wynn Macau) than the newer Encore at Wynn Macau design, Iâd definitely want to see the more used one in a NYC context. Encore LV and Encore Macau are about the same height (631â vs 634â respectively). And if you were to plop the Encore LV at Phase II, it would automatically be the biggest hotel in the city, with over 2000 suites, mind you suites that arenât shoebox closets like the typical ny hotel room.
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Phase I was not celebrated for itâs integration with the rest of the city. Having spent plenty of time at the site I can tell you that it feels gimmicky and sterile. Big cities do not need malls.
I fear a large casino/resort complex will not benefit this project either. I think if a casino was part of a larger master plan that included other elements such as residential, educational and community it could work.
The casino can go on the northeast corner of Phase II and a portion of the lot between 33rd and 34th and 11th Avenue could become a public plaza so that casino fronts the Javits center.
Thinking of building verticallyâthe casino can start above a retail, entertainment podium thatâs more useful to the city and visitors than a gambling establishment.
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If the resort were to take up the whole property or even a partial portion, Iâd imagine that the casino wouldnât be on the ground floor. The only comparison I can make to a gaming floor not being on the ground floor and also being in a podium would be at Crown Sydney, which itself is extremely small, but the first floor is the hotel/residential lobby, restaurants, and retail. The gaming floor is almost never in view when people enter resorts, they always have to walk past a lobby, or retail/restaurants before getting to the floor.
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New York needs one of those super luxury casinos like the one in Singapore
Which one in Singapore?
Marina Bay Sands, I forgot the name for a second
Oh yeah I would love to see something like that in NYC. Though hopefully ours would be about 345 M similar to the
Chongqing Chaotianmen Twin Towers
Which would be awesome as well
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The whole point of a casino is they want you to wander around and never leave. Multi floors would have to be escalators as people would think waiting for an elevator would be too much âworkâ.