We do not, so I’ve changed the title to show blank height and floor count, that was never decided on at any point and the building is still going through zoning changes so I’m not quite sure why the taller proposal was just put into the title.
I’m not quite sure why all the site’s mentioning this project and the diagram on SSP have it as being the 1,100’ mixed-use version, like I mentioned before, there has been no affirmed notion that that scheme was ever chosen. This seems to be a case of someone getting ahead of themselves and deciding for everyone else otherwise the taller scheme would not be plastered everywhere that it is.
At this point, the data for both schemes is outdated.
I’m hoping this comes out to be a 78-story tower! I don’t know what contraindications, if any, would prevent this from being that height.
I wonder if both of these designs are outdated, and something different will rise here.
I agree, the building at 576 5th also looks suspiciously vacant and has for a while now…
@Jaydayvis it being a mixed-use residential/hotel vs it being a commercial office tower are what determine the height/# of floors. So that decision would automatically prevent it from being 78 stories.
@robertwalpole the design has remained largely the same/ is more akin to the commercial scheme.
So hopes and hype of the supertall height in general need to be toned down, and a lot and articles/pages shouldn’t be being written with their headlines and descriptions as being focused on the supertall aspect, that’s what spreads the misinformation, because it’s not based on anything. I understand that new information hasn’t come out, and im not privy to new information either as I’m not familiar with this project, but that doesnt mean speculation should continuously be focused on one aspect/scheme out of a number of schemes, in this instance 2.
I’m not a huge fan of either design. However, it seems that the taller one is more likely since office projects seem even harder to finance.
A Korean firm owns the pre-war on the corner and recently filed for demolition. It will presumably be combined with Extell’s site next door.
In June 2023, the Korean apparel manufacturing and investment firm Sae-A Trading Co. Ltd., through an LLC, filed to demolish 576 Fifth Avenue, a 57,352-square-foot office building at the corner of Fifth Avenue and 47th Street. It’s the only building on the west side of Fifth Avenue between 46th and 47th Street that developer Gary Barnett of Extell Development did not acquire in his 10-year assemblage of a potential supertall site.
Called it! I hope the design is changed to something less boxy.
Looks like the corner building is being prepared for demo, or it could have just looked like this for a while now and I just dont remember. Either way, demo seems inevitable for it.
This could be interesting!
The corner building is being demolished but it’s owned by a different Korean firm
Another nice piece of architecture bites the dust. Don’t know if this meets landmark standard but it is clear that the LPC is much less active than it should be.
Do not underestimate the effects of ‘entropy’ and other forms of deterioration on historic masonry facades. This one looks to be in bad shape simply based on casual observation.
Many older buildings simply become ‘obsolete’ due to any number of factors regarding structural integrity, outdated plumbing/electrical, masonry entropy, etc. I wish more people would acknowledge this simple fact before blindly bemoaning the loss of another “Historic Gem”.
This one is a beauty, but under closer observation, and detailed investigation; I would probably give Landmarks Preservation a pass on this decision.
Infoshare–You may be right that the LPC should be given a pass in this case. But we’ve all seen so many beautiful buildings get torn down when good cases could be made for saving them, that I now look at a case like this one with a skeptical eye. The LPC can’t possibly know about every tear-down in town but it sure looks like that they are not very vigilant about what is happening. It often takes a major move by an organization or a neighborhood to get the agency to move off the dime. The city is gradually losing one of the most varied and wonderful architectural heritage of any city in the country.
Whether the building is an architectural loss, that is a matter of opinion. In Toronto, historic buildings were and are not completely demolished, but the buildings are gutted so that only the facade remains. Sometimes the facade mix is done very nicely and with other buildings you ask yourself, yes, I would have done that differently.
The developer decides what he wants to have, not the architect.
Across the street once stood the Windsor Hotel which burned down and later the Windsor Arcaden was built here.
Age used to be a virtue. And please, nobody but nobody fights entropy like South Korea. A laser beam and a dab of cream and this baby sparkles like it’s 1920-something all over again.
Some interesting renderings from 2022 by visualisation studio Aimir CG, showing a design by DRPA Studio for an extension to that corner building – plans which are presumably now obsolete:
Lots more images in the linked page, with a very interesting breakdown of the process of creating these architectural graphics.
This rendering from DRPA’s site shows a massing concept for 570 Fifth next door: