The problem with that being that these buildings were built and designed in a time where you wouldn’t expect improved fire safety measures.
I know on this fourum we love to gush about all the new buildings going but remember that the vast majority of buildings in NA are very old and not in good repair.
A way to fix that (or at least massively help with that problem) is to not have your storm drainage and you waste management connected to each other. For example in Singapore (I believe it’s Singapore, might have been HK) the systems are not connected, more expensive up front but vastly cheaper in the long run.
The biggest problem with this fire was that the residents of the apartment where the fire was burning left the door open after they left, which filled the building with smoke. Most people who died, died from smoke inhalation.
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It’s not possible to retrofit buildings like this with fire escapes. And not possible to retrofit older buildings with sprinklers. People just need to know NEVER to leave doors open if there is fire which is the same reason all those people died in the fire a few years ago in the Bronx. Feel free to blame politicians for this but in reality all the city can do is do mass awareness campaigns about what to do in case of fire, so for that they are guilty. Office buildings do get FDNY there to rehearse drills but that’s not so practical in residential buildings when everyone is coming and going at different times.
In theory, you could have awareness campaigns about other things that cause fires like space heaters, using the oven for heat, kids playing with candles, etc… But society can’t process all this… Focus on main message of closing the damn door if you escape a fire.
It would be interesting to see the city at night with this. Also I assume there will be exceptions for certains days, 4th of July, Christmas, New Years Eve, and ofc that special September day.
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^ and of course the nimby idiots are out for this one to protect their “waterfront home views”. Yeah sure, let’s ignore the fact that they’re far enough away that if you aren’t explicitly looking for them you won’t be able to physically see them.
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Is there a news article on this?
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Actually, you’ve got enough space to include at least one exterior escape on the northern end of the building, if not two. And you can retrofit older buildings. You just need the right funding.
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The fire remained entirely contained within the one apartment where it started with the space heater. It is a ‘fire proof’ building: concrete slab floors/ceilings, fire proof gypsum board & insulation between each apartment, steel fireproof doors with auto-close feature.
The only thing each person needed to do was to stay inside their apartment, and put their head out window. Some added benefit would have come by putting wet towels down at the door to block some the smoke.
There big failure no one seems to mention is the lack of understanding among the inhabitants, and the obvious lack of training/explaining regarding these basic safety measures to each and everyone of people who live in the building.
If you are looking for after-the-fact explanations and possible solutions: that topic is worth discussing.
Mods do you know why the preview won’t show up? It seems arbitrary to me that some do and some don’t.
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You’re posting quite a lot of links per post. Maybe only post the more important news links, it’s probably an automatic protection against spam. Also, if there’s a thread for a certain project like 220 CPS or that LIC project, post it in that project’s thread instead.
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Ah I see. I’ll try that.
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no emergency yet, but something to keep an eye on overnight if you’re out and about. This is not at all far from the city and could be a problem if the winds change.
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So they stopped it from getting to the main plant? That’s great news
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Thank you, mcart. Your work ITT is much appreciated.