The thing is they’re not. That’s not what this proposal does. That’s just what they’re selling it as
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There is no point to the park. It goes hand in hand with how ill-conceived the rest if their retrograde proposal is. It would be arguably very interesting to have some relatively small space within the station be a perfectly recreated piece of the old Penn, but this silly half sized concept is like the Disney Main Street approach.
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Grand Penn’s proposal is not building half of Penn. That approach would be infinitely more ideal than what they’re proposing.
They plan to deface the recently renovated 2 Penn Plaza and keep Penn as a basement.
The actual interior design of the concourse doesn’t even look that appealing.
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Ah, I’m looking at their renderings now. Certainly not the grand reconstructuring I was imagining haha. And yeah, that park is just goofy.
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These renderings are just AI slop.
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cgi slop
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Based on the watermark in the corner, the wobbly backgrounds that look AI-ish are actually just the Google Earth 3D layer at a very low resolution. Good old-fashioned human-made slop.
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Wow this might just be the rock bottom of all ideas ever proposed… why bother moving MSG at this point
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The interior looks so dang basic, the facade on 2 Penn looks kinda weird, and the park looks like a type of copy of Bryant Park and D.C. in a way.
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The park is so tacky—no normal circumstance would see a multi-billion dollar stadium take place just to make room for it. Unfortunately, we do not live in normal circumstances right now.
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Garbage proposal by garbage people.
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ai slop or just human-made slop. Their representation/design parti is a failure…..you’d think that for a group that espouses traditional architectural values and design they could see the absolute shit that their 7th Ave frankenstein would be.
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Give Nir Buras a blank check and all will be well.
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Instead of temporarily closing off Penn Station, they should permanently close MSG.
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I truly hopes this happens; I don’t need a “Grand” Penn station. Go with the original Governor Hochul plans for a single level concourse. Moving Madison Square Garden will allow all those pillars to be removed, the concourse ceiling heights to be increased, the platforms to be widened and desperately needed expanded egress stairs and elevators added.
Across the street between 6th and 7th avenues offers better connections to the PATH, additional subway lines as well as the current Penn station. Build a new pedestrian concourse, similar to the one between Fulton Street and the Oculus World Trade Center, between the Herald Square subway stations/PATH, the new Madison Square Garden, Penn and Moynihan Hall.
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Conversely, moving MSG may enable that disastrous “Grand Penn” proposal to gain even more traction and legitimacy. Allegedly, they have people who are quite cozy with the President.
Moving MSG is absolutely great but this is a once-in-a-generation chance to make an iconic, modern Penn Station and it can’t be thrown out with terrible proposals.
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What are the potential MSG relocation areas that will be satisfy Jim Dolan ?
I think it essentially has to be that site bounded by 6th Ave, 7th Ave, 32nd and 34th. Where else are they going to be able to find that number of rail connections.
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You can’t widen platforms without either eliminating tracks or expanding that footprint.
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