This reminds me of the LGA Airtrain plan discussion. I don’t get this mindset, where something is lamentable if it isn’t ideal. And judgements of relative practicality are never strawman; they’re essential to the discussion or we’re just doing fantasy roleplay.
MSG isn’t going anywhere, right now. Even the “move MSG” constituencies generally support the current proposal. So I don’t see the point of lamenting the lack of a comprehensive, grand gesture. Penn will be fixed in a piecemeal manner, with a technocratic lens, and that’s fine. We may get something worthy of the pre-1963 concourse, but not right now.
A spokesperson for Madison Square Garden Entertainment said in a statement, “We are disappointed to see this compatibility report from the MTA and the other rail agencies, considering how we have been cooperating throughout this process. This is the opinion of a few and not all stakeholders involved.”
Again, let’s post stuff in the right threads, anyways
Im not trying to demean your commentary Robert, but why do you keep on continuing to speak about the LIRR as it relates to it’s stop at Penn Station like it still looks the same as it did even just 2 years ago, because it does not. That was the entire purpose of the East End Gateway and LIRR concourse project, but you’ve still continued to speak about it pre any of the project even starting. You can’t just continue to use your own experience in using the secondary entrance to judge the whole project because not all of the 600K users use that entrance as you did.
Since the EEG entrance opened, it wouldnt make sense to building another “main” entrance a block away because the giant curved glass entrance is the main entrance. The entrance on 34th St is not the main entrance to the LIRR concourse, it is the 33rd st entrance.
I really want to make productive discourse, but I find that very difficult when every time you mention something about the LIRR entrance you speak of the present like it is still the past. Yes, the lot to the east of Penn 1 is not the best, but its not super ugly and run down as you always say it is and neither is it the central focal point of the LIRR because it is not the main entrance, it is a side entrance.
Something will eventually replace the secondary entrance and the lot in general with a tower and new secondary entrance, but there no reason to continually bring up that its ugly, etc all the time, there’s no sense in doing that.
I agree. The new LIRR concourse is extremely plain but it is much more visually spacious now. No doubt the next rehab in 20 or 30 years will oomph it up a little more.
Planning Commissioner Chair Dan Garodnick said that the agency is looking for a “trigger” that shows the railroads and MSG have some kind of agreement on future plans for Penn Station before his agency will extend the special permit that MSG needs to operate. Jamie Torres Springer, the head of construction and development for the MTA, said there are four conditions that must be met. A rep for MSG chairman James Dolan accused the MTA of trying to “strong arm” the Garden. Meanwhile, the special permit that allows MSG to operate atop Penn Station expires July 24th.
Looks like the railroads are trying to negotiate a solution for handling MSG and of course Dolan isn’t too happy.
Of course Dolan isn’t. He didn’t become successful by thinking about other people / the good of the city. Business dudes are just business dudes and I take the things they say very lightly. Everything they say is all marketing “puffery”
This is getting good though. I have never been this optimistic that power platers are thinking long term. I can feel the business dudes sweating from the heat.
Well right now they’re technically just concepts, nothing set & stone. ASTM is set to unveil their proposal along with including a cost estimate this week. This actually favors ASTM proposal tremendously. I’ve already seen ASTM proposal and I’ll just say everyone that is involve (especially government officials) would be stupid enough by not selecting them. It might not be the beautiful old Penn Station but at least we can rewrite into a new Penn Station that is nice and not a hazardous environment compared to what we have now.
And the signage for Penn is once again obscured by those of MSG while still doing nothing about the Hulu theatre or making the main entrances not pathetically small.
It’s the fact that the 2 renders actually have subtle differences between them that makes me laugh, it’s really still that same version that they had before, just with a different roof feature, overwise theyre basically the same renders as previous.
I understand that the theater belongs to Dolan as well, but I’m not quite sure why the state isn’t thinking to do anything with it while ASTM’s proposal is.
… Why do they keep on ignoring the ASTM proposal?!