By the time a 40% expansion comes to Penn Station, it’ll be at the current state of conjestion + 40% more overcrowded with a net “0” of benefit. Its the Special Law of NYC Transit Relativity at works.
Ughgh I can’t even imagine the time table schedule on this one. If it even happens. Lol do any recall the Sunnyside Yards time table? Its like 80-100 years. 
Yea but sunnyside isn’t a critical need.
This one is the single most critical (other than maybe sea level rise).
I agree. I just hope it doesn’t take decades. These MTA projects tend to take ages or anything involving state entities.
Every year that goes by, the station becomes even more inhospitable.
The slide show also states they are looking into acquiring MSG. Not likely but if it happened that would be the best thing to happen to the city in decades. Can you imagine an above grade Penn Station again?
Not to keen on this “Empire Station District” name they’re going for with this whole project but ok.
I have alwats said they should turn MSG into a megatall, maybe they can have a 4 in 1 - train station, office tower, residences, and stadium in 1 megatall building
No, unfortunately it said they are looking to acquire only the theater.
MSG isn’t moving. The Dolans are reprehensible.
Unfortunately the block Cuomo wants to take out has a couple of large, nice buildings. This includes the one that fronts Seventh.
The block I prefer that they target for demo is the one to its west (bet. 8th and 9th).
I wonder if they would take down the church on that block
This is where the JDS proposal is, I hope they put some supertalls on the site
I wonder if it would be possible to incorporate MSG into a mega tall or a 1500-1800 ft tower.
The foot print is there, but would be an interesting engineering excercise. Maybe they could make a containment system (like the Chernobyl one) to cover up MSG, with enough reinforcement to somehow build a top of it. Think of it like placing a heavy duty table with a cover on MSG, and than building a top of it.
So they don’t have to get rid of MSG… but shield the children eyes from that abomination while adding ample office/mixed use functionality to the area. 
Just an idea lol…
Or just give MSG a facade treatment and build a top of it. A giant cylindrical tower based on the foot print.
is the small capacity an issue? 20,000 is on the high end for NBA/NHL arenas. No one up high can see the hockey puck anyway.
A palatial MSG should be built by Yankee Stadium.
Yep. There is literally an empty lot right next door to Yankee stadium waiting to be developed.
That’s precisely what should be built.
No, seating capacity is not the issue…20000 is a large arena. You can’t compare it with a baseball stadium. The largest NBA arena (United Center) has a seating capacity of just under 21000. Also, the problem with the arena isn’t the quality of the interior of the arena but that it sits on top of the station and limits what can be done to improve it.
Terrible for hockey. Lots of obstructed view seats upstairs.
Wondering if everyone has seen this -
Hey, found this optimistic story about the Nasby building in Toledo.
First pic is of what it used to look like, second is the ridiculously crazy remodel, and the third pic is them trying to bring it back.
This gives me hope that one day NY will restore some of its beautiful old buildings to their original splendor.
Stuff like this gives me hope that modern development is finally catching on to the fact that this is what people want. The original Penn station can live again. There is hope.
And people ask why Hollywood keeps turning out sequels and remakes instead of spending big on original ideas. The loss of the original Penn station was a travesty, but the idea that the solution is a brick-for-brick recreation – ignoring the subsequent 110 years of innovation – is upsettingly regressive.
You know what was really amazing about the architecture of early-20th Century New York? That it was daring; that artists and corporations and governments were constructing things that had never been seen in history. If you could go back in time and told McKim & Mead, or Cass Gilbert, or William Van Alen that you wanted an exact replica of a century-old building for your new train terminal or new corporate headquarters, you don’t think they’d laugh in your face?
