What does Des Moines have to do with the World Trade Center? Should we just embrace mediocre slop?
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So these renderings I uncovered were actually of a version that began to materialize right after AmEx came on board? With the corporate lobby layout and all?
@JRF, you have any hints to give us? 
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âCurrently supporting the planning and early-stage coordination of a 2.5M SF office tower in ManhattanâŚâ
Itâs the smaller version indeed, the 1350ft one had 2.8m RSF.
2.2m RSF + 300k sqf mech?
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Amazing find. How did you do it?!
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Unless itâs changed again..?
Duan He will be âoverseeing the development of 2 World Trade Centerâ
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Im hoping we should get an official announcement sometime within the next month or two. It will be nice to finally get two wtc under construction again after all these years. Just will need something to happen with 5wtc
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There no particular indication of whether they are referring to gross, usable, rentable, or zoning sq, all of which are calculated differently, though it seems that your overall guess that itâs a smaller version is pretty probable.
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In either of the estimates itâs smaller than what was originally conceived, so weâre in for a huge disappointment.
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Itâs 1,230 feet tall and 1,350+ to the tip of the spire.
Thatâs not a huge disappointment.
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Yo Duan, make sure itâs the diamond design.
Seriously though the post says âand Heâs (his) next job for Silverstein will be overseeing the development of 2 World Trade Centerâ
So as of nowâŚor a week ago heâs not working on it as of yet. Thatâs crazy if the negotiations are still ongoingâŚyet we have confirmation that someone with Silverstein Properties will be working on the development of this tower
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Thatâs not a typo, itâs referring to his surname â âHeââs as in Duan Heâs (pronunced roughly like âhuhâ).
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Just my opinion with no evidence to back it up here:
I doubt the actual amount of rentable space in 2 WTC has changed. They were always going to make this tower the most profitable amount of space for a given site / whatever remaining zoned square feet for the WTC site there was left as this is the last piece. The only variables are how large each floor and what the typical floor to floor height will be. That said I could see Amex wanting space in the massive podium and not the upper tower floors or making some hybrid deal where they take 750K at 2 WTC and all 190K at 5 WTC to not put all their eggs in one basket.
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The diamond design had 3.1m and 2.8m RSF versions (not total SQF), if you go look back at it. And then roughly 2.8m for BIG and the 1350ft version of this design.
The wtc siteâs page I linked in May mentioned 2.2m RSF.
And if you were right, what gives the loss of 100ft and the decrease of the upper floorsâ space? All the while mechanical space had to remain.
They can build as much as they can finance, which is apparently little.
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Yea I did a little digging and youâre right. In press releases related to Fosterâs diamond design and even BIG version reference 3.1M gross/2.8M leasable. 600K shaved off is no joke!
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But to my earlier point, we donât know what the 2.5 is measuring, that 600K would only be true if it was measuring gross, if its rentable, then it would only be 300K.
Regardless, the figure is smaller than the initially conceived design.
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3wtc was to rise 1255ft, taller than 2âs roof now! It got down to 1079ft because of spire removals, removal of 2 double height mechanical floors above the podium (used to be 4), and a floor from the top tier, theyâve managed to rid 100ft of floors without modifying the RSF too much. But thatâs not the case here.
They shouldâve atleast expanded the top tubes by another 40ft, without this spire - 24 years and thatâs what theyâve managed to come with?? With all their developments, couldnât they put aside another ~400 million and build it bulkier?
It was clear since 2022 that theyâll never be able to secure 5 billion dollars (!) to build just 2.8m RSF (an estimate Larry said in a late 2022 event) even with a mega tenant, unless they get their own priorities in order - and as soon as AmEx stepped in, reality slapped (the renders I found were done within 6 weeks, while that August, theyâve put the original versionâs renders but never used them, so it was clearly a sudden change due to AmEx).
Theyâll probably announce it as September approaches, and thatâll be the end of it. So underwhelming that nothing really can go wrong with inking this, for once.
A few people from F+P were working directly with AmEx the past year, like I attached (the clients overlap with his CV), but thereâs no surprise in it.
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I Hope so, 2 World Trade Center Shouldâve started by now but im waiting for a update either on, they reached a supposedly agreement or a denial like seriously Silverstein JUST GET IT BUILT ALREADY if it doesnât get built at all, silverstein will probably be running around looking for tenants which either will never or will happen in my case⌠but hopefully both 2 and 5 WTC can Finally Rise at last
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Where does the 1,251â figure come from? Isnât this 1,231â roof and 1,350â to spire?
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