New York! America!
1,646 feet!
Are you kidding me?!
The bulk!
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Eat your heart out China!
Eat your heart out Dubai!
NEW YORK is the WORLD CAPITAL!
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Does anyone know what action needs to take place, and how likely it is?
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Please please please no height cuts, please!
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there’s a lot of actions being requested, but most of them won’t pose controversy.
Regarding the Chrysler Building, probably the most contentious issue:
the Proposed Actions could potentially change or restrict significant views of visual resources that are currently available from the surrounding area. Therefore, the Proposed Action has the potential to result in significant adverse impacts related to urban design and visual resources.
the Proposed Action has the potential to result in significant adverse impacts related to neighborhood character.
The proposed building would be set back from Lexington Avenue to allow for increased sidewalk widths and enhanced views to adjacent landmarks
The design would require relief from various zoning requirements, such as for street wall regulations, in order to enhance views of adjacent landmarks as well as the public realm pedestrian experience.
Within the 400-foot study area, there are 11 designated architectural resources, two of which are also in the Project Area. There are also 20 individual structures previously determined as eligible for NYCL and/or the S/NR within the study area, including: Grand Central Terminal (GCT) at 77 East 42nd Street, the Park Avenue Viaduct which extends from Park Avenue from East 40th Street to East 46th Street, the Graybar Building at 420 Lexington Avenue, Grand Central Terminal Post Office at 450 Lexington Avenue, the Chrysler Building at 395 Lexington Avenue, the Pershing Square Building at 125 Park Avenue, the Bowery Savings Bank Building at 120 East 42nd Street, the Chanin Building at 374 Lexington Avenue, the Socony-Mobile Building at 150 East 42nd Street, the Pershing Square Viaduct (portion of Park Avenue Viaduct) that extends from Park Avenue from East 40th Street to GCT, the Yale Club at 50 Vanderbilt Avenue, the Chemist Club at 550-52 East 41st Street, the Lincoln Building at 60 East 42nd Street, the St. Agnes Rectory at 141 East 43rd Street, East 45th Street Bridges (portion of Park Avenue Viaduct), the Loft Building at 299 Madison Avenue, Phillip Morris Headquarters at 118-120 Park Avenue, the Pan Am/Met Life Building at 200 Park Avenue, the Lefcourt Colonial Building at 295 Madison Avenue, and 52 Vanderbilt/Manhattan Savings Bank at 52/56 Vanderbilt Avenue. The Proposed Actions would result in demolition of the existing Grand Hyatt Hotel building and new construction on the Development Site. The architectural components of this new building will also differ from the existing building. Additionally, the Proposed Actions have the potential to result in a change in scale, visual prominence, or visual context of architectural resources in the Project Area. Therefore, a preliminary assessment of historic resources will be included in the EIS
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For completion
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I would imagine compromise with the borough president. Almost like one vandy if I recall. Community or nearby improvements. Modifications as desired. Could also depend on who’s in office and the cities administration makeup.
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Approaching this with tepid and cautious enthusiasm as 1VB was 1501’ originally. As with a lot of buildings constructed in the past 10 years, there’s always opportunity to cut the height.
Maybe I’ll feel more confident in 2029 lmao.
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Excerpts from the Poem of Pentaur (on the walls of the Karnak Temple), which celebrates Ramses II’s “victory” over the Hittites at the Battle of Kadesh:
Here beginneth THE VICTORY OF THE KING OF UPPER AND LOWER EGYPT USIMARERESETPENRE, the Son of RERAMESSE-MIAMUN, given life eternally, which he achieved in the land of Khatti, Nahrin, in the land of Arzawa, in Pidasa, in the land of Dardany, in the land of Masa, in the land of Karkisha and Luka, in Charcamesh, Kedy, the land of Kadesh, in the land of [Ugarit](https://www.ancient.eu/ugarit/), Mushanet. Now his majesty was a youthful lord, active and without his peer; his arms powerful, his heart stout, his strength like Mont at his moment; goodly of form like Atum, one rejoices at seeing his beauty; great of victory over all foreign countries, one knows not when he will begin to fight; a strong [wall](https://www.ancient.eu/wall/) about his army, their shield on the day of fighting; a bowman without his like; he is braver than hundreds of thousands combined; going ahead and entering in among multitudes, his heart trusting in his strength; powerful of heart in the hour of close combat; like a fir at its time of consuming; firm of heart like a bull ready upon the battlefield; he cares not for all lands combined; a thousand men are unable to stand firm before him; hundreds of thousands are discomfitted at beholding him; inspiring fear; loud of roarings in the hearts of all lands; great of majesty and powerful of renown like Sutekh; ... in the hearts of foreigners; like a savage lion in the valley of desert animals; advancing bravely and returning only when he has triumphed face to face; not speaking boastfully; effective of counsel and good of plan; one finds what one needs through his first reply; saving his army on the day of fighting; [great protector of] his chariotry; bringing home his followers and King of Upper and Lower Egypt Usimare- setpenre, the Son of Re,Ra`messe-miamun, given life.
Now His Majesty had made ready his infantry and his chariotry, and the Sherden of His Majesty’s capturing whom he had brought back by the victory of his strong arm; supplied with all their weapons, and the plan of fighting having been given to them. His Majesty journeyed northward, his infantry and his chariotry with him, and he made a good beginning upon the march in Year 5, second month of the summer season, day 9. His majesty passed the fortress of Tjel, being powerful like Mont in his going forth, all foreign countries trembling before him and their chiefs bringing their gifts, all those who were disaffected being come bowing down through fear of His Majesty’s might. His army went along the narrow defiles like one which is upon the roads of Egypt. Now when days had passed over these things His Majesty was in Ra
messe-miamun, the town which is in the Valley of the Cedar. And His Majesty proceeded northward. But when His Majesty had reached the hill country of Kadesh, then His Majesty went ahead like Mont, the lord of [Thebes](https://www.ancient.eu/Thebes/),and he crossed the ford of thernt’1) with the first army of Amun-gives-victory-to- Usimare-setpenre. His Majesty arrived at the town of Kadesh, and now the wretched Fallen one of Kadesh was come and had collected together all the foreign countries as far as the end of the sea; the entire land of Khatti was come, that of Nahrin likewise, that of Arzawa, Dardany, that of Karkisha, Luka, Kizzuwadna, Carchemish, Ugarit, Kedy, the entire land of Nukhashshe, Mushanet, Kadesh; he left no foreign country not to bring it of every distant land, their chiefs there with him; every man with his infantry and their chariotry exceeding many, without limit of the like of them. They covered mountains and valleys and they were like the locust by reason of their multitude. He left no silver in his land, he stripped it of all its possessions and gave them to all the foreign countries in order to bring them with him to fight.Now the wretched one of Khatti, together with many foreign countries which were with him, stood concealed and ready to the northeast of the town of Kadesh, but His Majesty was alone by himself with his followers, the army of Amun marching after him, the army of Pre
crossing the ford in the neighborhood south of the town of Shabtuma at a distance of 1 iter from where His Majesty was, the army of Ptah being to the south of the town of Aronoma and the army of Sutekh marching along the road, and His town of Aronoma and the army of Sutekh marching along the road, and His Majesty had made the first battle-force out of all the leaders of his army, and they were upon the shore of the land of Amor. But the wretched Chief of Khatti stood in the midst of the army which was with him and did not come out to fight through fear of His Majesty. But he had sent men and horses exceeding many and multitudionous like the sand, and they were three men on a [chariot](https://www.ancient.eu/chariot/) and they were equipped with all weapons of warfare. They had been made to stand concealed behind the town of Kadesh, and now they came forth from the south side of Kadesh and broke into the army of Prein its midst as they were marching and did not know nor were they prepared to fight.Thereupon the infantry and the chariotry of His Majesty were discomfited before them, but His Majesty stood firm to the north of the town of Kadesh an the western side of the
r-n-t' [see reference to 1)]. Then they came to tell it to His Majesty. Then His Majesty appeared in glory like his father Mont, he assumed the accoutrements of battle, and girded himself with his corslet, he was like Baal in his hour, the great horse which bore His Majesty being Victory-in-Thebes of the great stable of Usimarere-setpenre`, beloved of Amun.Thereupon the wretched chief of Khatti sent and did homage to my name like that of Re’, saying
Thou art Sutekh, Ba'al in person. The dread of thee is a brand in the land of Khatti.' Then he caused to come his envoy bearing a letter in his hand in the great name of My Majesty, of the Residence of Re'-Harakhati The-Strong-Bull- beloved-of-Truth, sovereign who protects his army, mighty on account of his strong arm, a wall for his soldiers on the day of fighting, the King of Upper and LowerEgypt Usimarere-setpenre, the Son of Re, lion lord of the strong arm Ramesse-miamun, given life eternally.Thy servant speaks and causes it to be known that thou art the Son of Re who came forth from his body. He has given to thee all lands combined in one place. As for the land of Egypt and the land of Khatti, thine they are, thy servants, they are under thy feet. Prethy noble father has given them to thee. Prevail not over us. Behold, thy might is great, thy strength is heavy upon the land of Khatti. Is it good that thou killest thy servants, thy face savage towards them, and hast no pity? See, thou didst spend yesterday killing hundreds of thousands. Thou art come today and hast left no heirs. Be not hard in thy dealings, victorious king. Peace is better than fighting. Give us breath.…Then Thy Majesty gave command to hearken to his words and I made a move peacefully southwards.His Majesty turned back in peace to Egypt together with his infantry and his chariotry, all life, stability and dominion being with him,
Reaching Egypt in peace to Pi-Ra
messe-miamun-Great- of-Victories, and resting in his [palace](https://www.ancient.eu/palace/) of life and dominion like Rewho is in his horizon, the gods of this land coming to him worshipping and saying,Welcome, our beloved son, the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Usimare-setpenre, the Son of ReRamesse-miamun and they gave to him millions of Sed-festivals forever on the throne of Re`, all the lands and all the foreign countries being fallen prostrate beneath his sandals for eternity and everlasting.
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Is this the actual design or just used as an example of the height concept?
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So SOM is the architect. I wonder if the tower will resemble one of these two skyscrapers proposed by SOM for the Grand Central area years ago:
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The massing does look similar to the tower on the left there. I wouldn’t be upset with something like that at all.
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You’re breaking my heart with that old Transbay Tower proposal. Something like that would fit the site well, in terms of opening up sight lines to Chrysler.
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it’d be glorious to have an architectural element on top that would push this beast to over 1700’ into contention for a place in the top ten tallest of the world along with 1 WTC. It’d have to be around 1740’ to be comfortably in that position.
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This SOM tower in London was designed to preserve sight lines to St. Paul’s. Just to give an idea of the firm’s thinking when it comes to sight lines:
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