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I actually love this building…! (it is the Torre Velasca)

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lol pretty sure the vast majority of people don’t.

Milan is often called Italy’s “ugly city” because of buildings like this.

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I think Genoa is the most beautiful in Italy, the way the city wraps and hugs the mountains leaves an artificial impression that the density is like NYC or Hong Kong but the feeling on the ground is much more serene. Milan is not great but I do appreciate many of the Italian skyscrapers and high rises.

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So many Italian cities are stunning: Rome, Florence, Venice, Turin, Trieste, etc. Milan has many gorgeous areas, and it may be less attractive by Italian standards, but it’s still better than many parts of N.Y.

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Outside of its historical center, Rome is full of ugly neighborhoods and awful sprawl… the grass is not always greener on the other side.
Even in the central area there are some not-so-great spots, such as the nabe that surrounds Termini Train Station.

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Torre Velasca is great, and Milan is NOT the ugliest city in Italy; in fact, a lot of southerners are still relocating there.

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I’ve been to Rome many times. The historic center is absolutely gigantic and gorgeous.

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Land use planning in European cities has tended to favor pushing poor people out of the center while drawing the better off into the center. US planning, by reliance on cars and large lot zoning, has done the opposite. But the US is beginning to flip a bit. NYC is only one example. And Europe is feeling the problems caused by concentrations of immigrants and the poor in the burbs just as we felt similar issues in the cities in the sixties. No one has successfully planned careful integration of rich and poor, native born and immigrant. It’s way past time to rethink the way urbanization operates.

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YELP
This just comes to show theres a taste for everyone.
Genoa was one of the biggest dissapointments for me, the city center stunning of course, but the way the modern industrial port encroaches on the old city spoils a bit of it for me.
Also the way 1970’s style kaufmanesque buildings encroach on the city center bothered me.


Overall a beautiful city, not my fave.

Florence on the other hand. Holy macaroni. What a gem
As much as I love skycrapers I hope they never build anything to top the beauty of the Duomo. Florence is a perfect example of protecting a city center very well but sill not stifling devellopment.

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But you have NEVER been OUTSIDE the historic center, which represents the 99% of Rome urban area :slight_smile:

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Yeah, Genoa is pretty ghastly, whereas Florence is a gem.

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12 & 14 on east 52nd look vacant/near vacant both the bank and the clothes store at 14 are closed.

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If Fister Louima’s us, and this heinous PoS is also built, it will constitute the greatest 1-2 punch since Ali in his prime.

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Down goes Sonny Liston!

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This looks like what my grandkids do on mine craft!

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No! Genoa is amazing. Obviously every city has ugly parts but I like Genoa as a whole.



I think I find Genoa so appealing because its growth feels very organic to me. Yes, there are very many ugly individual buildings, but as a whole, the city has been unconstrained by preservation or pretention like Florence (IMO). Consequently it is also legitimately affordable. While its population may be decreasing, I think Genoa is an excellent example of a metropolis that has been allowed to meet the needs of its denizens, instead of being warped and twisted into a graveyard of anachronisms (i.e. the impact of out of control historic preservation).

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Not really development news but there’s info on the current assemblage

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honestly i think what this needs is a spire

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I’m all for this tower if that spire is added.

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I’m ok with a spire…just as long as the entire structure under it is completely changed. Never have I thought I’d hate a building this much, but I can’t like it

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