NEW YORK | Second Avenue Subway

There is a reason Murdoch was tossed out of Australia (his birth place) and England! We are the shmucks who let him get away with all the lies.

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02-23/in-nyc-subway-a-case-study-in-runaway-transit-construction-costs

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The article says the Federal Transit Administration is expected to provide $3B (about what the MTA is asking for). This is probably just one piece of funding similar to Gateway. But nice try!

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Should happen no problem.

Updates on the project:

From the article:

“The solicitation for the project has been posted, and a contract is expected to be awarded in the fall, with work then beginning by the end of 2023.”

MTA has updated their project page on this:

125th Street entrance, looking south

125th Street entrance, street view

125th Street, platform view

125th Street, entrance interior

125th Street Station entrance

106th Street Station

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I am not surprised that the MTA is too cheap to build a direct connection between the Q train and Metro North. It doesn’t seem it would be too difficult to add a pedestrian bridge from the upper part of the subway station headhouse to the Metro North mezzanine, which is right below the two railroad platforms. Instead, folks transferring from the subway to Metro North will need to exit at street level, cross Park Avenue traffic to the median and head up the narrow stairways to the trains.

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God forbid somebody has to go outside and cross the street.

The point is it’s better/safer for pedestrians and vehicles when large stations like these have a direct connection instead of dumping a ton of people into the street.

I also imagine the experience could be better for people with disabilities but I’m unsure of the elevator situation here.

Anyway this design is not a surprise as the city/state stopped being ambitious a long time ago. And the MTA’s particular speciality of mismanaging funds (corruption) makes me think we shaved off $500 million by not connecting the stations more elegantly.

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how long will it take to build?

Especially at 3am when all the zombies come out!

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Passengers with luggage will really want to go outside and cross Park Avenue to transfer between Metro North and the subway. The major connections between LIRR and the subway (e.g., Atlantic Terminal, Jamaica, Woodside, Hunterspoint Avenue) do not require crossing the street (even if folks do have to walk on the sidewalk a bit).

Anyway, this is a silly argument as none of us will be alive when they finish this in 200 years.

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Aren’t these plans 100 years old now?

The proposal is 100 years old.

The 2nd Ave Subway in general is a very old idea.

Extending it that far west is not something the MTA has seriously entertained in the past few decades; that’s new. Fanboys and napkin-map folks have always talked about it, but serious discussion is new.

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