Great find… Looks like a less glamorous version of the previous renders, I think. Still looks decent though even though it’s just a blurry preview.
(based on Waymond’s posted article from Nov 27th in this thread, we were expecting a scaled back proposal, it seems.)
Great find. Looks a little reminiscent of the LIRR concourse? I wouldn’t mind that too much tbh, at least there would be some degree of modern visual consistency across the station. My guess is the big scale-back includes the reduction or even elimination of the daylit train hall, as the MTA’s proposal included a replacement of the bridge structure that links MSG with PENN2, which alone added billion(s) to the project cost.
Again, that’s just my guess.
Penn will always be MSG’s basement. That is their goal.
That render isn’t taken in the same place as the old proposed “great hall” concourse on the 8th Ave side (which isn’t happening). It’s taken in one of the thru way corridors directly underneath MSG in the watered down scheme.
@BA178 that’s correct, they are trying to somewhat continue the design language from the new LIRR concourse in this revised scheme, but that was always the plan.
The image behind Hochul is a fully rendered view of this similar white-out view
Depressing to think about, especially having just wrote a research paper focusing on the original Penn Station, but probably true.
Thank you for providing these plans. If anything, at least the layout looks fairly simple and logical, compared with what’s there now. Still disappointed to see any hope of a grand 8th Ave entrance fully dead, as well as some confirmation that the midblock train hall has been scaled down to a pair of entrances. Tbh, part of me hopes Hochul’s idea to rename the station goes through, in order to let the station finally embrace a new identity, only this time with less comparisons to old Penn Station, which isn’t coming back–sad as it is.
Thank you for sharing this. It’s a shame that Penn will always be a crappy literal basement of MSG. The skylit hall would have greatly enhanced Penn and make it less of a basement. It’s just lipstick on a pig at this point.
These trains will serve Pennsylvania Station after “Penn Station Access” opens at the end of this decade.
Someone “new” needs to enter this game and actually propose something feasible that isn’t some gaudy representation of the old station.
Why try to poorly mimic either the former station or try to attempt to build in the same style when if you were to just out right move MSG (because it’s just that easy) one would have the opportunity to build one of the most incredible train stations in the world? These people want to try to bring back the past but do an absolutely terrible job of doing/representing it…
Renderings from the new proposal.
WTH? This is just getting rid of MSG and replacing it with a park, keeping Penn Station 95% as-is, which is to say a hellhole in a basement; a glorified subway stop. No one wants that. This is the worst idea. That absolutely tiny glass headhouse isn’t it.
And that rendering of the underground portion looks like a shitty bus stop; it’s twice as bad as what we have now. Who comes up with this crap? (Except for the seating… I’m all for some seating, even if that would never, ever actually happen in NYC.)
The best compromise is still demolishing the Theater at MSG and putting in a grand entrance to Penn along 8th Avenue while keeping MSG where it is.
To add to that–MSG doesn’t have to lose that theater space altogether. A new theater/cultural space can be added to the scope of one of the redevelopment sites around Penn Station.
I agree 100%. The theater space is the easiest and best compromise, and opens up all kinds of possibilities.
While the site of MSG might not be the right place for it, you have to admit that (especially if all this development comes to fruition) the area badly needs a park. It would be nice if the actual master plan for the area included one.
I’m absurdly amazed at how much buzz this “proposal” has generated since it was brought up again, it seems like everyone is reporting about it. I dont remember seeing nearly the same amount of news stories or article the first time (or honestly however many times its come and gone).
