NEW YORK | PA Bus Terminal Redevelopment and Towers| 1,346 FT & 926 FT & ? FT| FLOORS









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On SSP, the four towers of the bus terminal have an extra topic. Therefore, I create it under reserve who thinks we do not need it, then this new link can be merged with the existing topic. Since we have one also extra topics on Penn Station and ESC.


„ The new terminal, which is expected to accommodate growth in bus traffic through 2050, is expected to complete the Federal environmental review process by Summer 2023. At that point, construction would occur in phases, allowing the existing facility to remain in service while its replacement takes shape. That includes decking over sections of Dyer Avenue early in the process, providing a temporary staging location that would be converted into green space later on.“

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Cleaned up thread and consolidated whole PA terminal discussion with history (merged). Please reference two posts above for latest update.

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Reposting: Via @mackensen

Just so its top of the chain









Credit NYguy on SSP SkyscraperPage Forum

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Why is there actually an extra topic on SSP for the two PABT towers?
We could also merge or close other topics at the moment.

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I thought merging threads put them in chronological order, its weird that there are some newer posts by users behind the older merged posts? @chris08876

I was previously advocating for the threads to be separate but in this instance it just seems too difficult to do so due to the intertwined nature of the towers and the terminal, there is too much cross and duplicate posting so it makes more sense to have these combined.

I think we should disregard how other forums structure their topics because we are our own forum, we dont need to copy what other forums do. All the other threads on Yimby that are separate still make sense to keep separate.

Yeah sometimes it does that where it’ll put older posts in front of newer ones. Not all the time but sometimes it tends to do that as it retains the 1st post of “X” thread that was merged.

I just think in the case of PA Bus, considering the long term nature of this project, would make sense to have the history of it all consolidated. It’ll start getting confusing if we start separating all the various components and they are all part of the same complex, spanning blocks.

But yes to other forms of separation here. It’ll be case by case.

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Ah, I see, thanks for the explanation :+1:

We’ll eventually see this monstrosity demolished, but I still don’t like how the new structures will be extending out past the boundaries of the property lines. The extent of the brace structure past the property line was already overwhelming, but now (well, in the future) that extension will be completely solid.

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PA in general is like a giant tumor.

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New renders just dropped.
https://www.crainsnewyork.com/transportation/port-authority-bus-terminal-revamp-sneak-peek
(Paywall Bypass)
In case both links are inaccessible here are the renders.


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we can’t see if we’re not subscribed…

ALC11 attached a paywall bypass link under the original link.

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The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey’s $10-billion proposal to reimagine Midtown’s notoriously dilapidated bus terminal calls for a beefed-up structure that would dwarf the current 73-year-old facility and include ground-floor retail space and a neighboring park.

Planning officials this week presented an early look to the City Planning Commission on how the Port Authority aims to transform the 41st Street facility between Eighth and 10th avenues into a bright, modern travel hub.

“This represents a once in a generation, really a once in a lifetime, opportunity to reinvent one of the major front doors of New York City,” said Ben Huff, a senior project manager at the Department of City Planning’s transportation policy and analytics division, who presented the plan and is among the army of city employees reviewing the Port Authority’s proposal. The design of the terminal has yet to be finalized or formally begin the city’s public review process.

To the west of the main terminal, on 40th Street between Ninth and 10th avenues, the Port Authority aims to construct a new facility where buses can be stored and can dwell ahead of accessing the gates where they pick up riders. Buses now have to wait and cause congestion on nearby streets.

Port officials also want to cover existing traffic lanes on Dyer Avenue with a park. A helix-shaped ramp structure connecting Lincoln Tunnel to the bus terminal would make up the western most portion of the project, stretching the existing footprint of the site along 40th Street to 10th and 11th avenues.

The new ramps, park space and storage facility could be complete by 2028, while the main terminal building is expected to be complete by 2032.

Over the main terminal building along Eighth Avenue, the Port Authority is pinning its hopes on the recovery of Manhattan’s office market, with plans to allow developers (they’ve yet to be selected) to build two skyscrapers to help finance the project.

Revenue from a third office tower will also help support the project; that tower would be built on land bounded by West 30th and West 31st streets and ninth and 10th avenues near the Lincoln Tunnel.

The Port Authority and Mayor Eric Adams administration agreed to an arrangement in March that commits up to $2 billion in property tax revenue from the commercial towers to help finance the bus terminal’s redevelopment.

Port Authority spokesman Tom Topousis told Crain’s that it is “too early” in the development process to say whether the agency will issue a request for proposal and have developers selected prior to the start of construction on the main bus terminal. Topousis added that “depending on market conditions and other factors” the two office towers could move forward at the same time of construction on the main terminal or after its completion in the 2030s.

The Midtown transit hub’s overhaul would be the first wholesale redevelopment in the terminal’s history and is intended to accommodate an anticipated swell of travelers in the coming decades

. Notable figures from the proposed plan:

-The new main bus terminal will feature five operational bus floors with greater space for buses to navigate, including 40 intercity bus gates.

-As many as 350 buses could be stored at the new facility — up from the current 50.

-The main terminal will include street-facing retail space.

-The two proposed commercial towers over the main terminal building could rise as high as 1,344 feet and 926 feet, respectively.

-Roughly 3.5 acres of public green spaces would be created by decking over the currently below-street level Dyer Avenue cut and building open space atop.

On a typical weekday in 2019 the terminal served an estimated 260,000 passengers on 7,800 buses — roughly 23% of the trips traveling across the Hudson into or out of Manhattan’s core, according to Port Authority data. But port officials project that figure could rise to 337,000 travelers per weekday by 2040, and people looking to swap their car trip for a bus ride due to congestion pricing could push that number higher.

The current bus terminal was not only designed for fewer travelers but small buses. Modern buses are typically 45 feet long and 102 inches wide, which can cause logjams and operational issues at the existing terminal. Serving bigger buses more efficiently means bigger buildings and structures will be needed at the bus terminal.

“The current facility was designed for smaller buses,” stressed Huff. “With the five operating levels, we have larger gates, more flexible gates that will allow buses to come in and out quicker through the facility.”

The proposal still requires federal and city approvals.

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I wonder if the new terminal will include broader platforms for the through-gates used by NJ Transit buses.

Here is what they looked like in 1960 before they were enclosed so that passengers do not have to inhale carbon monoxide:

source: NJ Transit: Will next Port Authority Bus Terminal meet commuter needs?

They are now enclosed by glass, but they are a bit claustrophobic; there’s not much space to sit or even stand if it’s busy.

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Vintage


Collection by Miss Mackensen


Credit: Port Authority

At the beginning of the 60s, three more car floors were built on top of the bus terminal.

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The bus fleet of the future is going to be hydrogen so what’s a little water vapor. Whatever they do they better not mess w/the Ralph Kramden statue!

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