When could we see the first renderings of site 3 and 4? Could there also be an architect competition?
I don’t think there will be any competitions for the towers, Since the towers will be commissioned by private developers, they will most likely just onboard whichever firm they’d like to work with, and if they choose to see options from multiple architecture firms we may never see all the designs as is typical with a number of projects as that’s at the discretion of the developer to release materials.
All that being said, we won’t see anything for sometime after a developer comes on board as we still have to wait for the developer. It makes the most sense for a private developer to develop all 4 towers, similar to how Vornado is overseeing a portion of the Empire Station Complex.
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Edit: Moved to tower topic
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The Four Towers of PABT have their own topic:
https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-pa-bus-terminal-4-towers-ft-floors/21639/
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A number of depictions and early plans I’ve seen show the outline of the upper portion of the terminal going beyond the property/lot lines a good amount. I really hope this is not the case as that would make the structure feel very overbearing to be over the sidewalk and possibly some of the street. That is why development are not allowed to build inhabitable spaces outside of the lot lines, to preserve street walls, and clear obstructions of the sidewalk and street to make it feel open.
The current dump of a building is already very heavy and it too slightly overhangs past the lot. Maybe use of different materials and color would lessen this impact of heaviness in the new terminal if it does overhang but it’d be better if it didn’t (which i’m sure there is a reason it overhangs in plans.)
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Are you talking about when it goes over roads?
I saw that in one of the renderings and it looks awesome
Not really, though that will be an unusual sight to see (even though there are other examples around the city, but still few). An example would be a normal block in Manhattan is about 800’ x 200’, and the building outline is 840’ x 240’, so it overhangs the property line 20’ on each side.
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Like cantilevers?
Yep, every depiction from plans to conceptual renders to massing schemes, even to the latest render that was released, show the 3 eastern lots (of the 5 lots this project occupies) as overhanging beyond the property line, some even into the street.
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I can’t help but feel that this is wishful thinking.
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But wishful thinking of what exactly? That there will actually be parts of the building outside of the property line?
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Seoul is going down a similar path with its bus terminal.
The announcement comes after Seoul Mayor Oh Se-hoon visited New York City’s Port Authority Bus Terminal, part of Manhattan’s Hudson Yards, an 11-hectare, $25 billion real estate development on top of a mid-19th-century railyard with housing, office buildings, a hotel, a seven-story shopping mall, public square and an art center.
Oh was reportedly inspired by the proposed project to overhaul the Port Authority Bus Terminal, built in 1950 with a second wing added in 1979, which seeks to reconstruct the existing terminal and add four high-rise towers by 2031.
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via brad hoylman email — the register eventbrite link didn’t work, but fyi:
Updates on the Midtown Bus Terminal
The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey will be hosting a Community Information Session on the proposed replacement of the existing midtown bus terminal on Tuesday, February 6, 2024, from 6:00PM-8:00PM. The session will be held in person and via live stream to update the community on the proposed plans for a new Main Terminal, Storage and Staging Facility, and associated ramp infrastructure. Advance registration is required due to limited seating available for the in-person option. To register for in-person or livestream link click here.
more pabt plan info:
https://www.panynj.gov/bus-terminals…cess-pabt.html
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