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The time has come, Governor Hochul is preparing to relocate MSG

  • Hochul plans to move MSG to Dewitt Clinton Park
  • Located at 11th and 54th
  • Could use eminent domain to acquire the park
  • Could cost 800 million and take 3 years to complete
  • Governor wants a world class architect with ties to New York

(January 11, 2022) — Governor Kathy Hochul is preparing to relocate Madison Square Garden to a permanent new home on the site of Dewitt Clinton Park , a 5.8 acre city park in a trendy section of Manhattan, overlooking the Hudson River between 52nd and 54th Streets . The relocation of the nearly 20,000-seat multi-use arena event center is intended to accelerate Hochul’s sweeping improvement plan for Penn Station , which sits under the 60s-era venue that critics have always lamented as congested and misplaced.

The Governor believes that the new arena’s construction could be completed in as little as three years, and she wants to hire a ‘star architect’ with deep ties to New York to begin designing the facility as soon as possible. Hochul envisions that the arena will ‘sit on-top’ of glassy television studios at street level, which she hopes that businessman James Dolan will populate with nationally-broadcasted sports and entertainment programming on MSG’s television network.

Many of the studio spaces will include in-studio audiences and others will overlook the Hudson River. Hochul believes that national programing will help improve the city’s image, believing that New York City’s waterfront has gone under-appreciated in the national consciousness.

“The new arena is expected to be a super-modern, super-comfortable venue in a corner of Manhattan that is very centrally located but doesn’t feel as hyper-congested and gritty as the 33rd Street location,” an official with Empire State Development explains. “The new arena’s construction cost is expected to cost New York State taxpayers $800 million, which is the estimated fair market cost of using eminent domain to acquire MSG’s interests in the property.”

Dolan, the longtime CEO of MSG, prefers to collaborate with the Hochul administration, and is likely to ink a public-private partnership deal in order to avoid a costly drawn-out litigation with the State.

Hochul is willing to use eminent domain to acquire the park from the City, but believes she will have the endorsement of Mayor Eric Adams — who shares her goal of expediting transit and public space improvements at Penn Station . While Adams is concerned about the loss of public space in the neighborhood, Hochul plans to replace the 5.8 acres of public space by acquiring and redeveloping additional piers as park space along the Hudson River in the immediate vicinity of the facility.

The facility will accommodate boxing, mixed martial arts, the National Hockey League , the National Basketball Association , and national concert tours.

The old Madison Square Garden will be demolished and it’s 250,000-square-foot site between 33rd 31st Streets will be repurposed as a large public square that will sit above Penn Station’s loading platforms and in front of a glassy new entrance atrium that was announced by the Governor last month.

Hochul has been planning to rename Penn Station after a worthy New Yorker, but has been struggling to decide whether to bestow that honor on former Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm , women’s sufferage activist Susan B. Anthony , former Senator Daniel Patrick Moynihan , Underground Railroad conductor Harriet Tubman , the Reverend Fredrick Douglas, or the recording artist Billy Joel . Hochul is likely to name the station and the public square atop it after the same New Yorker, though that could change.

Madison Square Garden was granted a 50-year operating permit in 1963, and was granted a 10-year extension in 2013. That 10-year operating permit expires in 2023. Dolan has previously been reluctant to move from the current site above Penn Station because he was granted a permanent property tax exemption under Mayor Ed Koch in 1983.

“We can’t afford to pass on the once-in-a generation federal infrastructure opportunity under President Biden, and deny New Yorkers a world-class Penn Station while a few planners continue their 30-year-long debate about moving MSG,” Abbey Collins , a spokesperson for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority told The New York Post early last year.

Sources say that Dolan is “generally onboard” with Hochul’s proposal, but is concerned that the Dewitt Clinton Park site is located a full four city blocks from the nearest subway station at Times Square. He thinks the obstacle could most easily be resolved by constructing a 1.5-mile light rail train on 53rd Street, from Dewitt Clinton Park to Second Avenue. That at-grade light rail would transport riders from the arena site to subway stations across Midtown and would cost between $300 million and $400 million.

Another alternative would make use of Amtrak’s Hudson River Line , which runs underground a block away from the Dewitt Clinton Park site and links Penn Station to the northward suburbs along the Hudson River. Using the sparsely used rail line, which currently accommodates only Amtrak’s Empire Service to Niagara Falls, would require the construction of as many as eight new subway stations to access those tracks along the Westside of Manhattan and under Riverside Park.

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99% sure this is a hoax. The Buffalo Chronicle has been at the center of multiple fake news controversies, and doesn’t include any information about the authors of its articles or its ownership on its website. This “news” is entirely out of left field and contradicts pretty much everything we’ve heard about Dolan’s stance and the current plan to renovate Penn without moving MSG, and isn’t being reported anywhere else.

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The part about building it on current parkland seems far fetched to me especially since its the only sizable park in the area. I just hope that lease it not renewed unless concrete a timeline is in place!

Whatever puts more fuel to the fire for the idea of demolishing and relocating MSG I wholeheartedly support. If this is a feint by the Albany to move it to a less controversial site, even better.

MSG should anchor a Sunnyside Yards redevelopment just like Barclays Center and Atlantic Yards.

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news like this would be in ALL of the New York tabloids and reputable news sources.

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To be honest, it does seem convincing at first

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Some background on the esteemed publisher of the Buffalo Chronicle:

He likes waterfront stadiums:

Nice mugshot:

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Yeah it does. I didn´t fully trust it to start with though but didn´t have anything to say against it besides the fact that something this big wouldn´t be produced by a buffalo magazine first.

Now that you mentioned it, the Buffalo article was published this Tuesday, and yet there’s another article published today that follows what the buffalo magazine says

I wish this were true, but it sounds highly questionable.

You cannot just stick a huge arena in a city park. The local NIMBYs would scream bloody murder. There’s absolutely no rail to this park. Who’s going to build a transit link, and how? How would all the LIRR and NJT suburban attendees get to the arena?

And if you relocted MSG, you wouldn’t build a “plaza”. You’d build a giant new concourse for Penn and utilize the six million square feet of air rights.

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Also, I just checked Hochul’s twitter and yet there was no mentioning of MSG

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There´s nothing on ny.gov. This is definitely fake.

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Big oof to the other articles that may follow what the Buffalo article says

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