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Yes, that aspect was discussed here before: it is the deep set-back that I am trying to understand. I realize I have not been clear about the point.

Thanks. I guess the deep set-back aspect of those panels have a similar technical explanation. It still looks very odd, and unfortunately will become a roosting spot for pigeons… :rofl:

Thanks again for the input. I hope those window panels are ‘set-back’ because of some building code requirement - they really do look very odd. They actually make that facade look almost ugly.

What were they thinking this would look like…


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It was a poorly handled architectural detail - OMHAO. I My Humble Amateur Opinion. :wink:

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I have had this issue on my street facing window. Maybe that is why I am a bit hung-up on the issue… :thinking:

I will see if I can find an article that is not an Ad for a product or service. I wanted to make my point about that deep recess: this is really an odd feature.

It is bad BOTH in terms of aesthetics, and M&O planning - maintenance & operation.

I doubt that recess is a code requirement: just looks like a bad design decision. The ‘overall’ architectural design if fine; but that panel looks really bad. It truly looks CaCa. :rofl:

I can’t think of a code reason that would necessitate the need for them to be recessed, since everything is within the property line anyways, it seems much more like it was just a design decision. The architects probably didnt want the deep mullion to be visible on the interior so they just pushed the metal part to be flush with the backside of the mullion on the interior.

It also give the building some depth, otherwise it would be extremely flat if everything was on the same plane.

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It’s so plain.

The interior design of these apartments are high quality and tasteful: and that is what matters most to the future home owners. Take a look a the video posted as proof positive. I even like the way those metal ‘window’ panels function; sort of a fresh air access panel. :wink:

The architecture is another story. The deep recess on the facade looks bland (an odd) enough - then that flat metal panel make matters aesthetically worse. :woozy_face:

I suspect their was some ‘functional’ or ‘code’ requirement that led to that odd looking recess. Perhaps because the back section of the windows open outward, and that deep recess accommodates that protruding section.

FROM THE WEBSITE - once can see part of the window opening outward…

Pure speculation on my part: but that is sort of what we do here… :innocent: :thinking: :heart_eyes:

Yeah really bad that those panels are not glass. Looks awful. I guess you could attach mirrors.

There is no code requirement that would’ve created the setback condition (for the last time) for the operable metal panels, operable panels, whtehr glass or metal (just any type of operable residential window) are only allowed to open 4" inward or outward (not both ways, some windows just open out and some in).

And even though the renders show the windows opening outward, they really open inward which even if they did open outward the setback is way more than 4".

It is clear that it is just a design decision, and I don’t understand why that is so hard to believe. Why on earth would anyone want the building to be completely flat if the metal panels were inline with the glass portion. This introduces shadows to the facade.

Like I said before, they are just being aligned to the backside of the mullion. Why would you want your operable panel to be so far outward from reach with a deep mullion and sill in the way, especially since they open inward.

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