NEW YORK | The Greenwich (125 Greenwich St) | 912 FT | 72 FLOORS

I wanted to share this video (again) for those who may have missed this: “Why do Architects love RAW Concrete?”. However, I got this notation prompt - It looks like you already posted a link to www.youtube.com in this topic in a reply on Sep 19, 2022 - are you sure you want to post it again?

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I am a big fan of both Rafael Vinoli and this new condo building; hoping you share my interest and love this new architectural ICON. :heart_eyes:

I persuit of my interest in “The Greenwich” had an interesting exchange with Grok regarding this building and also the problems at 432 Park: with all the issues regarding the 432 Park Ave building swaying in the wind I wanted to raise that question too. Raphael Vignoli also designed 432 Park; so perhaps new buyers may have some concerns regarding a repeat of the 432 Park Avenue problems regarding ‘wind sway’. The following is a copy of my exchange with Grock on these topics.

Me - Tell me about the architecture at “The Greenwich” new condo building.

Grok - The Greenwich," located at 125 Greenwich Street in Manhattan’s Financial District, is a striking residential skyscraper designed by the late, world-renowned architect Rafael Viñoly, with interiors crafted by the British design duo March & White (MAWD). Standing at 912 feet (278 meters) tall with 88 floors, it ranks as the 29th tallest building in New York City as of its nearing completion in 2025. The building exemplifies a blend of innovative structural engineering and elegant aesthetic design, tailored to its prime location just south of the World Trade Center.

Exterior Architecture

The Greenwich features a sleek, modern silhouette distinguished by its distinctly rounded corners and a curved floor-to-ceiling glass facade, which wraps around the tower to maximize natural light and offer panoramic views of Lower Manhattan, the Hudson River, and beyond. This glass curtain wall system not only enhances the building’s visual appeal but also integrates functionality, providing residents with unobstructed 360-degree vistas. A standout structural element is the exposed concrete I-beam-shaped shear walls that run vertically along the northern and southern sides of the tower. These walls serve as the primary support system, eliminating most interior columns and creating nearly column-free floor plans—an engineering feat that enhances the flexibility and spaciousness of the interiors. The concrete shear walls also contribute to the building’s wind resistance, a critical consideration for its slender, supertall design on a compact 83’ x 119’ site.

The tower rises from an 8-story base that reinforces the street edge along Greenwich and Thames Streets, with three floors of retail space grounding it in the urban fabric of the revitalized Financial District. Hexagonal mechanical floors punctuate the structure, acting as wind breaks and visually breaking up the glass facade into distinct residential volumes. The building’s height, initially planned to exceed 1,000 feet (with early proposals reaching up to 1,400 feet), was scaled back to 912 feet to respect the adjacency of the World Trade Center complex and minimize shadowing, reflecting a context-sensitive approach uncommon in the trend of pencil-thin supertalls.

Interior Design and Layout

Inside, The Greenwich offers 273 condominium residences, ranging from studios to three-bedroom units and penthouses, with sizes spanning approximately 400 to 3,960 square feet. The nearly column-free interiors, made possible by the shear wall system, allow for generous and adaptable apartment layouts. Floor-to-ceiling windows with prewired motorized treatments, 10-foot-high ceilings, and 6-inch-wide white oak flooring create a sense of light and airiness. Kitchens feature Miele appliances, Onda Argentata marble countertops, and bespoke finishes, while primary bathrooms boast radiant heated floors and floor-to-ceiling Calacatta Covelano marble, reflecting the luxurious palette options—Aqua, Terra, or Stratus—designed by MAWD to complement the surrounding environment.

A defining architectural choice is the placement of the building’s amenities on the top three floors (86th–88th), dubbed “The 88.” Rather than reserving this space for a single penthouse, Viñoly and the developers (Fortress Investment Group, Bizzi & Partners, and Bilgili) opted for over 27,000 square feet of shared luxury spaces, including a 50-foot indoor lap pool (the highest private pool in NYC), spa, fitness center, private dining rooms, and entertainment areas. This triplex crown, perched over 800 feet above the skyline, offers residents a “private sanctuary in the sky” with unparalleled views, setting The Greenwich apart from typical supertall condo designs.

Structural Innovation

The Greenwich’s structural system is a testament to Viñoly’s ingenuity, executed with input from DeSimone Consulting Engineers. The two vertical I-beam shear walls anchor the building’s core, supporting its slender form while reducing setbacks and interior obstructions. This approach not only accommodates the small footprint but also enhances the tower’s stability against lateral forces, a necessity given its height-to-width ratio. The resulting parallelogram-shaped floor plates optimize both space and views, making the units feel larger and more open despite the constrained site.

Context and Evolution

Originally envisioned as Downtown’s tallest residential tower, The Greenwich evolved through multiple design iterations from a potential 1,356-foot, 77-floor structure to its current 912-foot form. This adaptation reflects market shifts, financial challenges, and a rethinking of the luxury condo landscape since its announcement in 2014. The site, once home to a 10-story Western Electric telephone factory (1888–1889), was redeveloped by Bizzi & Partners and others after years of ownership changes, culminating in a design that balances boldness with practicality.

In summary, The Greenwich at 125 Greenwich Street is a masterful fusion of architectural vision and engineering prowess. Its curved glass facade, exposed concrete shear walls, and top-floor amenity triplex redefine luxury living in Downtown Manhattan, honoring Rafael Viñoly’s legacy while responding to the evolving needs of its urban context. As it nears completion in 2025, it stands as a modern landmark in the Financial District’s skyline.

Me - I have another question. One of Rafael Vinoli’s other tall and thin buildings is 432 Park Avenue. This other building has significant issues with swaying in the wind; so much that the building occupants complain the apartments are not comfortable. What has been done on this new building at 125 Greenwich to minimize the effects of wind shear and excessive lateral movement of the building.

GROK - You’re absolutely right to draw a comparison between 125 Greenwich Street (“The Greenwich”) and Rafael Viñoly’s earlier supertall, 432 Park Avenue. The latter, completed in 2015 and standing at 1,396 feet (425.5 meters), became infamous for its wind-related issues—swaying that caused creaking noises, elevator malfunctions, and even flooding from burst pipes, all of which compromised resident comfort in its ultra-luxury condos. These problems stemmed partly from its minimalist, rectilinear design and slender aspect ratio (about 1:15), which amplified wind-induced sway in a tower without sufficient damping mechanisms or structural adaptations for its height. Aware of this backlash, Viñoly and the team behind The Greenwich took deliberate steps to address wind shear and lateral movement, leveraging both architectural design and advanced engineering to mitigate the issues seen at 432 Park. Here’s how they’ve approached it:

Structural Design: Concrete Shear Walls

Unlike 432 Park Avenue, which relies on a reinforced concrete tube-in-tube system with large, evenly spaced window cutouts that inadvertently reduced stiffness, The Greenwich employs a distinctive structural strategy centered on exposed concrete I-beam-shaped shear walls. These massive vertical elements run along the northern and southern facades, acting as the building’s primary lateral load-resisting system. By concentrating structural support in these shear walls, the design eliminates the need for numerous interior columns, creating open floor plans while providing exceptional rigidity against wind forces. This contrasts with 432 Park’s more distributed concrete frame, which, while strong, was less effective at dampening oscillations due to its uniform geometry and lack of targeted wind-resistant features.

The shear walls at The Greenwich are engineered to handle both gravity and lateral loads, absorbing wind pressure and reducing sway. Their I-beam shape enhances stiffness, distributing forces more efficiently than a flat wall and countering the torsion (twisting) that supertalls experience in high winds. This system, developed with DeSimone Consulting Engineers, is tailored to the building’s slender form (912 feet tall on an 83’ x 119’ footprint), ensuring stability despite a high aspect ratio similar to other pencil towers.

Wind Breaks: Hexagonal Mechanical Floors

A key lesson from 432 Park Avenue was the need to disrupt wind flow across a building’s facade. At 432 Park, the unbroken vertical expanse of its facade allowed vortex shedding—cyclical wind patterns that exacerbate sway—to build up unchecked. The Greenwich counters this with hexagonal mechanical floors strategically placed at intervals along its height. These floors protrude slightly and feature a textured, perforated design that breaks up wind currents, reducing the coherent vortices that cause excessive movement. This approach is akin to the tuned mass dampers or wind-disrupting features seen in other modern supertalls, but it’s integrated into the building’s aesthetic rather than added as an afterthought.

At 432 Park, five double-height mechanical floors were included to house equipment and allow wind to pass through large openings, but these were insufficiently optimized for sway reduction, serving more as a stylistic choice than a robust engineering solution. The Greenwich’s mechanical floors, by contrast, are purpose-designed as wind breaks, informed by wind tunnel testing to ensure they effectively mitigate lateral acceleration—the back-and-forth motion that residents feel.

Wind Tunnel Testing and Computational Modeling

To avoid the surprises that plagued 432 Park, The Greenwich’s design underwent rigorous wind tunnel testing and computational fluid dynamics (CFD) analysis. These studies, likely conducted during the project’s development phase (post-2014), simulated wind behavior around the tower’s unique curved-glass facade and compact site near the World Trade Center. The rounded corners of The Greenwich’s exterior—unlike 432 Park’s sharp, boxy edges—help streamline airflow, reducing wind pressure and vortex shedding. This aerodynamic shaping, combined with the shear wall system, was fine-tuned to minimize sway and ensure occupant comfort, addressing the real-world feedback from Viñoly’s earlier project.

Slenderness and Height Adjustment

While 432 Park’s extreme height (1,396 feet) and slenderness amplified its wind issues, The Greenwich’s final height of 912 feet reflects a deliberate scaling back from initial proposals (up to 1,400 feet). This adjustment, partly a response to zoning and market factors, also reduces the building’s exposure to higher wind speeds at greater altitudes, where atmospheric forces intensify. The shorter stature, paired with a robust structural core, lowers the center of gravity and lessens the leverage effect of wind on the tower’s upper reaches, making it inherently less prone to the dramatic swaying experienced at 432 Park.

No Tuned Mass Damper (Likely)

Interestingly, unlike some supertalls (e.g., Taipei 101 or Steinway Tower at 111 West 57th Street), there’s no public mention of a tuned mass damper (TMD)—a large, suspended weight that counteracts building sway—being installed at The Greenwich. At 432 Park, a TMD was retroactively considered but not initially included, contributing to its woes. For The Greenwich, the combination of shear walls and wind-breaking mechanical floors appears to be the primary strategy, suggesting confidence in this passive approach over an active damping system. If a TMD exists, it’s not highlighted in available design narratives, indicating the structural system alone is deemed sufficient.

Outcome and Comfort Focus

The result is a building engineered to prioritize stability and livability, avoiding the mechanical failures and discomfort reported at 432 Park (e.g., elevators stalling or pipes bursting due to sway-induced stress). The Greenwich’s shear walls and wind breaks work together to limit lateral acceleration to levels well within human comfort thresholds—typically below 15-20 milli-g (acceleration due to gravity), as per engineering standards for residential towers. The curved facade and column-free interiors further ensure that residents experience the views and luxury they paid for (units start at $1.695 million) without the disconcerting motion that plagued its predecessor.

In essence, The Greenwich reflects Viñoly’s evolution as an architect, learning from 432 Park Avenue’s shortcomings. By integrating concrete shear walls, wind-disrupting mechanical floors, and aerodynamic shaping—backed by advanced testing—the design team has crafted a supertall that aims to deliver both structural resilience and resident comfort, distinguishing it from the cautionary tale of 432 Park. As it nears completion in 2025, it stands as a testament to adapting past lessons to the demands of modern skyscraper living.

.…I learned a lot about this new building and 432 Park that I did not know before; Grok is a great learning resource. I hope you too enjoy this informative exchange I had today with Grok…

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…bruh

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This whole portion is hot garbage, just because something isn’t publicly mentioned doesn’t mean it isn’t implimented… 520 Fifth has a TMD, its not publicly mentioned anywhere, as well as a significant number of recently constructed tall buildings in NYC that dont explicitly advertise that they have TMDs because why would you need to advertise that fact. The nonsense about 432 Park Aves TMDs is completely false, they were always included as significant structural elements in the tower, they were not after thoughts. To “generate” that this tower somehow went through more vigorous wind model testing compared to 432 Park Or other skyscrapers in general is absurd because all skyscrapers go through extensive wind tunnel and CFD testing.

If you are singularly only getting your info from AI bots, considering you like to post/share such AI info convo’s in your posts, you are extremely misguided in what information you are actually getting to be correct, verifiable, and accurate. In almost every instance there are always large chunks of false info in these posts and its insulting to everyone on here that is actually trying to learn accurate stuff about projects. That is how misinformation is generated.

I’m not saying that it’s all wrong, but AI does not just take facts about the project its asked about it will mish mash pieces of facts from other projects.

Also per @yesinmybackyard 's post, the length of the post was completely unecessary.

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Yes, I know it is a bit much… :innocent:

Here is what I think is the ‘short answer’ regarding my question about this building have the same “building sway” problems as 432 Park. I don’t know if Grok is correct on this point; but it is one of many sources of information one can use to get answers on a variety of issues. I take it all with a bit a caution.

Here is the gist of the whole response regard the claim that this building will NOT have any issues with ‘swaying-in-the-wind’ as does 432 Park Avenue…

Excerpt from Grok response regarding wind-sway -
The shear walls at The Greenwich are engineered to handle both gravity and lateral loads, absorbing wind pressure and reducing sway. Their I-beam shape enhances stiffness, distributing forces more efficiently than a flat wall and countering the torsion (twisting) that supertalls experience in high winds. This system, developed with DeSimone Consulting Engineers, is tailored to the building’s slender form (912 feet tall on an 83’ x 119’ footprint), ensuring stability despite a high aspect ratio similar to other pencil towers.

Wind Breaks: Hexagonal Mechanical Floors
A key lesson from 432 Park Avenue was the need to disrupt wind flow across a building’s facade. At 432 Park, the unbroken vertical expanse of its facade allowed vortex shedding—cyclical wind patterns that exacerbate sway—to build up unchecked. The Greenwich counters this with hexagonal mechanical floors strategically placed at intervals along its height. These floors protrude slightly and feature a textured, perforated design that breaks up wind currents, reducing the coherent vortices that cause excessive movement. This approach is akin to the tuned mass dampers or wind-disrupting features seen in other modern supertalls, but it’s integrated into the building’s aesthetic rather than added as an afterthought.

…end quote.

AI is known to hallucinate.

the last pieces of the scaffolding are gone


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That area truly hasn’t seen the sun in years given how long this whole project took

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what’s the skybridge attached to?

No - that is the school building behind

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lol I didn’t ask If it was connected to the building, just wondering what it was servicing :blush:

They’re NYC DoE properties. Pretty grim and one of the buildings is almost windowless.

High School of Economics & Finance, School of Leadership & Public Service, and School w/o Walls share those two buildings that are connected.

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If anyone wants to nerd-out on every detail of this building from concept to completion; you need only read this entire thread from top-to-bottom.

The planning, foundation, erection, completion, interiors; every aspect thoroughly discussed and documented.

We even covered a bit where one of the construction workers apparently dropped his sunglasses while working on the foundation. :rofl:

The power of ‘crowd sourcing’ information in full display. One of the best YIMBY treads ever.

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