NEW YORK | The Bellemont (1165 Madison Ave) | 210 Ft | 13 Fl

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An update to this masterpiece. I see the start of the facade elements going up in the lower levels.

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Limestone:

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More limestone:

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Just look at how good this looks compared to the ugly red brick building right next to it. In a city like NY it boggles the mind that people build such ugly things when we all love buildings like this.

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Different periods, different esthetics.

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I was going to say the same thing.

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Ugly is a completely subjective term.
Also developers generally don’t build based on what people love, they build based on how much money they assume they can make.
Unless their tenants really care, or they’re building a massive tower and want it to look good themselves.

I think objectively we can point out an ugly city vs and attractive city.

No, you can’t. There can be a general consensus but there will never be an objectively “ugly” or “attractive” city. And even if there was, opinions don’t stay the same so it would constantly change anyway.

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They built the red brick building in the 1950s. Two interesting facts: it used to be a white brick building, but it had a complete exterior facade removal and replacement in the 1990s; and you can say that it’s the same building even though there are two red brick buildings next to 1165 Madison ave. because both buildings are the same address, connected by an interior walkway and courtyard.

Also, although the red brick building has maybe three times the physical footprint of 1165 Madison, it has more than 10 times as many apartments.

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Paris is and will always be an objectively attractive city.

I’m not sure I entirely agree with that. Classical architecture has been around for centuries and modernism was only a short lived fad. Now we just use “modernism” as a catch all to justify building cheap, disposable, utilitarian buildings devoid of even the subtlest design elements. I don’t think the majority of the world are fans of modern architectural fads and thats why they are heading back to more timeless design. Thats why colonial homes have never gone out of style for example.

Wasn’t the red brick building built as a rental? If so it can not be compared to a condo building. Are any of the RAMSA buildings being built today rentals?

I find Paris’ relentless blocks of Haussmann buildings to be oppressive. I like variety in my urbanism. Various modes of architecture and urbanism coexisting alongside each other are signs of a healthy and growing city, IMO. I like to see modern buildings alongside old ones. I prefer cities that are collages and not stylistically uniform.

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It’s ok if you don’t like modernism but to call it a fad does it a disservice. It’s been around for well over a century and is still the springboard for contemporary buildings. I like the prewar copies too but everything has to be put into historical perspective.

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Well a couple of things.
*Neoclassical. Real Classical architecture should be brightly-colored, as they were in Roman times.
Yes neoclassical has been around longer, but modernism was not “short lived” lol.
No pretty sure we don’t do that. Modernism has a definition in architecture.
Are we headed back to what you call “timeless design”? How? I’ve seen no evidence of that. At least on no large scale. And where I have seen evidence of architectural elements of other types such as Art Deco, it has just been elements of that design on an overall modern piece.

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