HOK should really be the one who is given more credit for the ASTM proposal, not Chakrabarti, he was only brought on as a consulting figure for the 2nd ASTM iteration. To say its his design is very misleading and untrue @Mackensen.
“His” design was the nonsense 2016 one that basically just turned MSG into a giant hollowed out glass silo.
Its the most realistic solution as well. MSG stays and gets a modern renovation while Penn gets a dignified entrance and upgrade.
Interestingly, Apple Maps’s 3D model of MSG/Penn Station appears to be rendition of the ASTM proposal…maybe Byford’s giving them another chance!
That is very interesting, I like the ASTM/HOK proposal, but I would’ve like it better if they had kept the Woods Bagot interior concourse instead of the new one…
It looked warmer and more open, the latest one where PAU replaced Woods Bagot is too austere and monotone.
The Woods Bagot ceiling would’ve looked beautiful.
The Woods-Bagot design is amazing. It’d work very well with the finishes of the LIRR concourse and overall aesthetic of the existing renovations.
The ASTM/HOK design seems to have what appear to be skylights by the staircases, and that will make for a more pleasant track-level experience with the potential for daylight to once again reach the bowels of Penn Station.
ASTM/HOK (really HOK since they are the architect and ASTM is the developer) designed both iterations, its just Woods Bagot and PAU that are the different architects that were brought onto the projects.
To be fair, if what is believed to be glass skylights in the PAU version is really glass, it doesn’t look like it would really bring in that much “natural” daylight especially when one considers that the potential 8th Ave entrance faces almost NW so there would never really be enough sun reaching into the depth of the building to reach the track levels.
In other renders it seems like its more of a design motif inlayed into the flooring, because it also extends into the portion of platforms where sun/natural light would never reach.
Not sure why only one rendering shows the balcony in the foreground but regardless, I prefer the brass (or is it steel and wood) railing over a glass partition.
Here’s an interview with Byford regarding the future of Penn Station. One thing of note is that he also is recommending through-running to be considered as an option, and that the renovation will be extremely comprehensive.
As for a potential relocation of MSG, there is no information regarding that at this time (or even if it is a possibility) other than that he has met with Dolan, the owner of MSG.
The old SOM proposal was absolutely ginormous, it spanned 6 blocked, 4 blocks for the station itself.
Do it lol. Why not? It’ll probably be 20 B + anyways might as well make it look good.
These Sim City 2000-ass renderings 
Do ICE trains also run in America?
last pic
No. It’s just a rendering, and stock assets were used.
However, in the early 90s an ICE train along with the Swedish X2000 were brought over as a testbed that eventually led to the development of the Acela trains that run today.
Can’t they use eminent domain to remove MSG?
Yes but it’s not a helpful solution. You still need a spot for a new MSG and you have to raise lots of money to pay for the condemnation. In short it’s only a remedy in search of a comprehensive plan.
This is not for everybody but I found it informative. It showed up on my Youtube menu. The presentation runs about 50 minutes. It delves into through running at Penn.
