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I donât hate it, but it definitely can be better. Better than Tower Fifth imo
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Wasnât FB supposedly leading One Madison? Hopefully, that fell through, and it will go here instead.
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That so crazy looking. That doesnât even look like NYC. Thanks man!!!
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If anything is for sure, this whole area is going to get the hudson yards treatment⌠for better or worse
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2019 is shaping up to be a great year for new supertall renderings! In January we got our first glimpse of Tower Fifth, May surprised us with 350 Park and now weâve seen 15 Penn and Penn Plaza Eastâtwo for the price of one! I hope we get renderings of 270 Park, Grand Hyatt and Hudson Yards Phase 2 as well.
Iâm ambivalent about the design of this tower. On one hand Iâve always wanted NYC to have a bold, futuristic supertall like what gets built in China and the Middle East. While this is certainly bold and futuristic, it also looks really sloppy to me. Some towers, like 56 Leonard, are able to pull off the crazy Jenga cantilevers, but on others (like this one and Tower Fifth) they look messy and forced. The top is an outright abomination, one of the worst crowns Iâve seen on a tower. Doesnât help that Iâm just so sick of NYC supertalls with flat roofs. I do like the massing thoughâNYC needs more fat behemoths to balance out the super-slender towers of 57th Street.
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I agree! Iâm really glad weâre seeing the rise of excellent skyscrapers, like the ones under construction now. But if these bulky towers donât get more creative my perspective could change and see a downfall. I of course do not want to see that and Iâm sure all of us donâtâŚso Vornado why donât you get my digits and I can design something
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I donât know I kinda like the Hotel Penn, Iâd rather see the junk between it and macyâs go first. Hotel Pennsylvania was a true land titanic like the Hotel Astor was on times square.
(pic of the original lobby)
Plus if its demolished it will create a cheap Gene Kaufmann hotel bonanza 
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New York has so many hotels that Hotel Penn represents less than a drop in the bucket.
I am impressed that this thing would be so tall with 70k sf floors (only 40 office floors in a 1400 ft building!)
I wonder if the new mechanical voids law would prevent this design from being implemented (please note I donât support it)
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Vornado needs to acquire and raze this filthy, disgusting garbage before it can expect any high-end tenant to relocate to this vile area. Itâs utterly disgusting.
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weâre in the midst of another plateau developing, grrr
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1,400 ft plus/minutes 50 ft is becoming the latest trend in super talls here.
Loving it. Back in the day, 1000 ft was great, now we getting on average, via the pipeline and currently u/c, 1400 ft as a standard.
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it just occured to me that Macys will build their skyscraper and also KPF is designing a supertall not far from here. This old swath of Midtown is going to be busy in the 2020s.
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Is the KPF supertall the site where a building was started and then abandoned?
Also, Steve Roth is a doofus. Unless Vornado has secured FB, which seems implausible given FBâs alleged commitment to One Madison (which is in a MUCH nicer area), this isnât rising any time soon.
Roth needs to clean up this filthy sty of an area before a tower like this comes to fruition.
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I wonder how the eventual crackdown on Facebook, and other tech companies like Google (Alphabet), will impact the office market here. I wonder if they break down into different companies (hypothetical), how the distribution will fair. Would it be consolidated within the same roof, or distributed over office space within the island nodes.
I have my reservations about facebook, but would love google to take this space or even 2 WTC. Likewise with Amazon, even though 2 MW looks like it could be it, but time will tell.
Possibly the facebook logo was a pitch to them⌠like an ad saying âhere ya go, a tower for your needsâ, ready to be built if you guys sign.
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I donât think there will be a crackdown. What is the monopoly? They provide excellent services and there is plenty of competition if someone wants to use something else. IMO it is political pandering and will amount to nothing.
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Doesnât have to be a monopoly to get in trouble. Google certainly dominates the search realm. That stand puts them in a different regulatory arena. And if they give preferences in their search result listings to their subs or to companies they in some way back scratch with there can be antitrust violations. Thatâs one of the sort of tactics European investigators have found and heavily fined Google for. Microsoft got in similar problems during its market dominating heyday.
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