What could be the dimensions of the water reservoir in the building? Since there is a fountain at the front of the building, I almost suspect that it occupies almost the entire height of the building. I have not yet found any cross-sections or a floor plan of the building, let alone photographs from the inside.
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I see stained glass in the window…nice detail.
would this be possible…
a roof terrace can be added to the garden
I would be interested in this suggestion
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Okay, to better plan my Penn Station I would need to know if it is possible for MSG to also move to this property if necessary.
This is between 7th and 8th Ave. as I could build a different Penn than if the MSG stops at that location. So Tower Site 2A is history and Site 2B I could plan taller. As for Penn Plaza East and West, these two buildings would be completely out. This would be a better location for a new Garden than at Site 6 and Penn 15.
Well the arena would have to take both of the full width of the blocks, it couldn’t fit half and half spanning the blocks. I don’t believe area is transferable on Site 2, because the ESDC has already appropriated zoning dimensions for each of the sites on Site 2.
What is the blue line designating?
I like the suggestion…
the red of the MSG
the blue connection between MSG and Penn? or the theater??
and behind it Site 2B.
This is just the first sketch of my proposal to move the MSG to build a new Penn Station. The blue lines would be the underpass leading to the entrance of the MSG.
The sketch reflects only an extremely rough drauf view over the terrain. Whereas, the underpass leading from Penn to MSG runs underneath the street (W. 31 Street). I just don’t know how big the Hulu theater is so I drew it as an extra building. The w. 30th Street would take a turn and cross between 7th and 8th Ave. into 29th.
Or would I generally have to give MSG 5 another place in NY? and how likely would it really be that MSG 4 moves.
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I’m not sure several factors of this plan would work with how the proposed sites are zoned and how the street level interacts with Penn Station.
An underpass below 31st St would probably conflict with the Penn South Extension, which is why there are also no such underpasses in the city and they are all raised (Park Ave viaduct, etc) but for those tunnels that eventually open to street level.
As mentioned before, the there would have to be a rezoning of the area and of Site 2 to address the difference in use of land and the redistribution of zoning to those areas not currently zoned. Site 2 alone would have to be rezoned significantly.
My rendering of @Mackensen’s Sky High Towers on the PABT West site, also taking some design cues from @TK2000’s sketches:
That looks great!!! 
This may be far fetched but if possible, can you render Merdeka 118 on top of the MetLife Building?
Thank you for this Wonderful rendering @ThreeWentDown finally, times a Megatall in New York visibly.
Now as for MetLife Building (200 Park Ave.) I could see my other concept on that property. It would be with 2300 feet still a little higher than Sky High but, I think I must still change because name “Papership”.
Strange name but it fits the design of the tower.
My lowest megatall would be the Black Tower a residential tower on 57th Street at 2000 feet.
@TKDV what does a project similar to Sky High Tower need to get all the permits in New York? or would the project be too big. I don’t mean theoretically but practically so that it can be built. What kind of structure would this megatall have if it were to be built in New York?
That information is actually not possible to determine with the only factor given being the height, since you can’t work backwards or off of only the height as the known factor. How many floors is it? How much sqft is it? What is the use of the project?
You also have to take into consideration that because you’ve chosen a site on the PABT project, the state will become involved as well as you are intending to build it over the Lincoln tunnel entrance, and that requires a number of other entities to become involved. But the block youve chosen to build them on also cannot be altered from the current zoning that the planned tower massings for the PABT towers are confined to because of said tunnel entrance. Sites 3 and 4 are shaped as they are for that reason.
For Sky High Tower Complex I had originally drawn for 175 Park Ave. Mixed use would certainly be best for such a large project (hotel, office and possibly residential). As for floors, I think around 120 if it’s not too few. All my concepts can be modeled anywhere in New York, of course, where it makes the most sense.
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I still have to work over the drawing for the possible MetLife. But the only thing I can already say about it is that it has an outdoor swimming pool at 2000 feet (if it is possible).
What I have heard about building a megatall is that the concrete core can only be built to 2000 feet. Otherwise, stronger concrete pumps are needed to pump the concrete above 2000 feet.
Would a project similar to 5WTC with affordable housing at around 980 feet also be possible on Site K of the Western Yards?
A Google street view walk around Site K (418 11th Ave.) I had a few thoughts about. Only I don’t know what details are in the new RFP.
Today I had time to do a quick drawing for the 2400 feet high 200 Park Ave. Project.
Drawing 1 is the view from the north looking south and drawing 2 is from the east (Queens). So and now you would just have to imagine 175 Park Ave. next to it and 270 and 350 Park Ave. north of it.
Is this likely for a casino project at Hudson Yards Phase Two?
This would’ve been one gigantic skyscraper 
What actually has to happen that the current MSG 4 is relocated?
On the one hand it would allow to build a new Penn Station and on the other hand a new MSG. Around Grand Central Terminal, new skyscrapers have been built and more will be added. I could imagine that if the current MSG is relocated then new projects could also start in this area.
What exactly is that black box on Site K? Is it some kind of ventilation tower for the Lincoln Tunnel.
If the tunnels are really under the road surface, then it will be more difficult to lay the foundation for a high building. Would it be possible to demolish the tower and divert the exhaust gases above the future lobby of the new building?
