I go crazy here and build it big. 1,700 to 1,800 feet just to the roof alone.
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This is goodâŚ
From the north certainly, but I dont think it will affect the overall views greatly since if it ended up being lets say 1200â, thats only 150â taller than the height of The Summit. So it would be no more of a disturbance than 270 Park Ave is essentially.
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Ah I see. I bet itâll look huge up close if it was that height 
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How many square feet can this be? It seems that if they coy Iâd build as tall as they want especially if the condo portion tapers and is thin and has 20â floor heights.
This project has the same specifications as One Vanderbilt, that is why in terms of scale and size, it should only be compared to it. But like 731 Lexington, I can assure you that there will not be a 57th St like massing on top of a larger bulkier office portion. And even so 20â is inately tall even for a luxury aprtment/condo, not even any of the 57th St towers have single level units anywhere close to that ceiling height. That is why 731 Lexington is the best example to compare it to in terms of function and overall massing.
That is why I said 007 is more correct in projecting 1100-1200â.
You know more about this than I do.
How many SF is 1 Vanderbilt?
Also, are 270 Park and the future 175 and 350 Park so tall because they bought a lot of air rights?
One Vanderbilt is about 1.75 million gross sqft and 1.3 million zoning sqft.
There needs to be a distinction between height and area in regards to air rights because air rights involve area, not height. 270 Park Avenue is large in area because of the MER, but is tall because it has absurdly tall floors.
The same could be said with 350 Park Ave as it relates to 270, MER related FAR, and I would assume tall floors.
175 Park Ave is large in area because of the MER and itâs partial lot merger with Grand Central and is tall because of its lot size and massing in relation to its area, it has fairly standard floor to floor heights.
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Good analysis.
However, I donât see how a tapering 1.75m sf office condo doesnât easily have the potential to be 1600â. Sure, it could be 1,200â, but it could easily be 1,600â+.
Iâm not a person whoâs obsessed with height. I wouldnât want Mackloweâs crazy 51st St building to rise under any circumstances. It just seems to me that with a condo element, this tower can be very tall.
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See but thatâs where that aspect of your logic is slightly flawed. I mentioned earlier that all of One Vanderbiltâs calculatable area is below 1030â. Just because this one has residential does not mean it will be over 550â taller than One Vanderbilt highest floor, especially since, even though only commercial in usage, One Vanderbilt itself also has some tall floors. Do you see what Iâm getting at? Having a residential aspect does not make something tall because not all residential buildings are narrow and skinny like those on 57th st and that should not be and is not the standard for residential design, especially when it is mixed use. There is still projected to be more commercial area than residential. All the aforementioned stuff is why a 1200â tower makes the most sense, that is also why the use of the term easily doesnât necessarily make sense.
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Perhaps that 1600 foot height could be achieved.
This video gives the definitive answer on how the building envelope is algorithmically determined.
The overall form factor of any building in NYC is mostly determined by the various zoning regulations; and the subsequent need to âmax out the envelopeâ for the most profitable end product.
Perhaps that 1600 foot height could be achieved.
Take a look a the various trade-offs that are involved regarding the complexity of the NYC zoning regulations. I know you and other forum members will truly enjoy this video.
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Any height is technically possible in any location in Manhattan (but for those with specified height restrictions) but that doesnât mean it will be built as such.
But as it relates to building envelopes, there is no definite answer to how it can be determined, as long as it fits within itâs boundaries then itâs ok, but there is no certain or specific way to do that. I will definitely say that the maximum building envelope is almost never maxed out, certainly not for profitability. There are a plethora of other factors that determine massing and building envelope shapes, and that is clear from One Vanderbilt, which as I previously mentioned should be the example building for this site since it is the standard for those sites along the Vanderbilt Corridor rezoning.
How did you get this formulation from watching the video? It doesnât really detail building envelope determination, it was more so educating about how FAR affects the envelope and massing in accordance with zoning regulations.
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I hope the demolition starts soonâŚ
this takes foreverâŚ
another supertall (1100 feet) coming soon.
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- A supertall is 984 feet above
- This will not be 1,100 feet or 1,600, nothing is confirmed yet
- Are you done making these posts?
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Common now. Letâs use brainpower here.
Please stop spamming with irrelevant stuff.
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What? has the project been cancelled?
there is no official projectâŚits just speculation at this point based off the a few articles.
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Sadly, theyâll probably raze it soon and leave an empty lot for three years.
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I hope they reopen as well, itâs one of the few, if only, hotel buildings of its style in Manhattan thatâs left.
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