196-unit 13-story project with three retail spaces in 16,403 sq ft and 9 parking spaces at 96-110 Tonnele Ave in Journal Square
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Crazy. I knew someone who used to live there when I was in first grade lol. This neighborhood is changing rapidly in every direction.
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New York has to start taking some notes from Jersey City and JSQ, get their act together, and force forward the pipeline of more housing. Compared to Jersey, NYC is doing disgusting. Too many processes involved, ULURP, rezoning process, community input by communities/wackos who are against development, Council approval, etc. It’s amazing how quick jersey is getting all this development done. It’s doing probably better (and faster) than the Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx combined.
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Jersey City is definitely doing a good job - thanks to a pretty supportive council. The same can’t really be said for the rest of Jersey though - it’s much more like NYC and surroundings, with people fighting tooth and nail against any increase in density.
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It’s happening. There was a groundbreaking 3 days ago. It’s been rebranded to “166 Van Reipen Ave” but it’s still officially a 96-110 Tonnele Ave address.
The entire lobby on the first floor will be a publicly accessible space.
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First building permits for the foundation were issued today.
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If people want to come here and complain that Journal Square is getting too crowded, we should be free to disagree with them and tell them why their views are misguided, but I don’t think NIMBY posts should be deleted outright. It sends out bad vibes about this whole forum (what else is deleted before others see it)?
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100% agree
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The bad vibes will be circulated to the community for sure.
That post was going in a very controversial and off-topic direction, comparing a building with an Indian American owner and a neighborhood with many Indians to ‘slums in Mumbai.’ I’ve read through enough JC NIMBY Facebook groups to see where that discourse was likely to head and to know that we’re not going there on this forum and especially not in a thread about a specific building…it’s inflammatory, off-topic, and adds nothing to the discussion of this particular building.
As far as civil debates about whether places are getting ‘too crowded’, they can be had in general development threads about those places, not in threads about particular buildings.
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Ok, all of that may be true (I don’t recall if the original post even mentioned the word “slums” - it’s your word against anyone else’s) but the question is whether the solution is to just delete the post and pretend it was never made. I guess the ultimate question is what kind of forum one wants to have - one where dissenting and even objectionable opinions simply vanish into thin air? I don’t know what’s right anymore.
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If people want to make disparaging ethnic comments - and yes, that post did say ‘slums of Mumbai’ - then this 100% not the place and most forums on the internet other than unmoderated forums like 4chan would delete it.
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And this forum has always had rules about staying on-topic. If you want to discuss this further (which I’m happy to do), maybe we should move it to the moderator requests forum, or feel free to DM the mod team.
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if I Hurt your feelings I’m deeply sorry at your sensitivity but realistically … there are real slums in Mumbai where you see builds like this. It’s not disparaging if it is real - Look it up. Google is a great start. If you want to go to a place where your comments treated with delicately - I may ask you should go somewhere else. Realistically it looks silly. Period. 13 stories where a majority of the area is 3-4 stories. From a building perspective - it looks awkward. If we are not entitled to free speech and give opinions on an open forum … then this is not a forum it’s a protected chat. So back to the build for a second - I will love to see the outcome of this project and what it does to the immediate area … hopefully it’s a good start for the area up to West Side Ave.
Slums in third-world countries look nothing like low-income areas in urban New Jersey. I looked at photos of Dharavi on Google - that’s the largest slum in Bombay. It’s a garden-variety shantytown surrounded by dense organized urban development on its sides. I then looked at photos of slums of Lima, Manila, Nairobi and Cairo. Nothing looks like Jersey City. So I don’t really know why this is being compared to Mumbai, but it is possible it is driven by animus. (I still think it’s better to rebut these comments instead of deleting them outright).
If someone wants to post photos of Mumbai and Jersey City side-by-side so we can compare, I am happy to be proven wrong. But the way I see it, a mix of occasional midrise buildings amongst low-rise buildings is something that occurs in many places around the US - in Los Angeles, Chicago, many parts of Manhattan, Philadelphia, etc. There is nothing particularly special about Jersey City.
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