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Some nice elevation diagrams â interestingly, the diagrams show no external louvres on the eastern facade, which differs from the renderings that have been published so far.
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Rob Walpole would be proud.
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Getting a bit bored with Foster at this point. Would be nice to see someone else get a crack at the skyline.
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KPF wouldâve been ideal, F+P have lost their magic.
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Iâm surprised we havenât seen more Smith+Gill projects in NYC recently.
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He is ChiND on SSP
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Ultimately I suppose the architect is limited by the clientâs final say. I donât think this is a particularly bad design, but itâs definitely a little barebones compared with 270 Park. I almost wish 350 were shorter as a result.
Even though Foster showed some interesting design ideas for the previous iterations of this project, I must say that overall, I prefer their pre-Apple work; that first commission seems to pervade most of their projects nowadays. Still, having seen some of the behind the scenes work and care this project received, I still have a great respect for it and the firm. I look forward to seeing this tower rise on my way home in the years to come!
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I think itâll look sleek. But itâs unimaginative.
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Are there any renderings showing the west facing side?
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This is because the design was updated (âupdatedâ to look even more plain) since the design was re-revealed for the 3rd time.
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@tjr101, no known official render exist, but the west elevation from the ULURP document show it as just being a plain glass facade with the louvers rapping part way and a straight run of glass where the core is. Because of the layout of the core, no elevator would be visible to create an artistic visual (like at the Leadenhall building and similar to the wishful graphic ThreeWentDown made of the west facade), so it highly likely it will just all be spandrel glass.
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You know, I actually like this a lot more than 270. Yes, itâs simpler but I think the lines are cleaner in a beautiful way.
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I donât mind the switch to flat glass on the eastern mech floor facades, but the breaks in the north/south vent stripes on the crown kind of detract from the sleekness quite a bit compared to the continuous stripes previously, IMO.
Iâve updated my rendering to reflect some of the changes:
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I just hope they can incorporate 477 Madison Avenue. Then they would also have a Madison Avenue entrance and a small plaza.
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If they know from the outset that those floors are going to be mech, and so require vents of some kind, what is the purpose of âsimplifyingâ the design. Does it serve to get consensus enough to move forward w/the project?
I would love to hear how the design process works and if the same team that did the principal design is still in place to work these detail out, or if another group mops those up. Wondering if the clients typically weigh in on the details or do they cede those to the design team once the âsimpleâ version gets approved.
Thereâs really no way to tell from an outsiderâs perspective what the team is thinking when making such decision. Some mechanical equipment requires specific sqft of venting for fresh air intake and exhaust, itâs possible that the amount of louvers they are/were providing was redundant and not really needed so they removed them, thus simplifying the appearance.
Inversely the MEP consultant could have chosen more efficient equipment that did not need as much sqft for air intake/exhaust so it became unnecessary to have X amount of louvers on all 4 sides.
As F+P is only the Design Architect and AAIA is the Architect of Record, this decision would have had to have been made between both parties as the functional louvers wouldâve fallen on the side of the AOR while the overall appearance wouldâve fallen to the DA.
Overall all the decisions the DA makes if they are not also the AOR have to go through the AOR because the AOR is the one who is coordinating these design decisions with the other disciplines. So in your original post, in this instance, it would be âanother group mops those upâ. Design changes both small and larger are normally and frequently presented to the client, these changes can be generated by both the opinion of the Design Architect and the client (IE the DA can make a design change that they think is better and then present it to the client while the client can also suggest an idea that the DA will scheme up and then present to the client.
Long story short, the client absolutely has a say/weighs in on design decisions.
Itâs a much easier process when the DA is also the AOR because one has to go through less channels for communication/approvals, etc.
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@5Bfilms slightly better audio here but still needs work:
I picked up a RODE wireless me mic today so hopefully I donât have to worry about good audio moving forward lol
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