# Shane Keena's Concepts **URL:** \ **Category:** Visions\ **Created:** [August 24, 2021, 5:52am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135 "2021-08-24T05:52:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/43 "2022-06-18T20:37:43Z")
Just because it’s out of style doesn’t mean it’s not legitimate. As long as you don’t open it up to too much fanfare and generally keep quiet about it, the induced demand effect can be mitigated, and congestion can be reduced. As far as dividing communities is concerned, as long as this route is built in such a way as to minimize the amount of local streets that are cut off, it would be fine. Plus, one could argue that this area of Manhattan has been mostly gentrified anyways, and that if you want to live in cities, you will have some amount of pollution. @mcart I am tagging you in this as well because this pertains to you as well. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/44 "2022-06-18T20:42:06Z")
Assuming this was built, would it create some traffic for the Manhattan and Williamsburg Bridges, while contrary will it alleviate some of the traffic for the Lincoln Tunnel and even the George Washington Bridge? ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/45 "2022-06-18T20:44:27Z")
Especially the George Washington Bridge. Debatable when it comes to the Lincoln Tunnel. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/46 "2022-06-18T20:48:10Z")
Basically anyone in Brooklyn all the way up to the Queens-Brooklyn Border will likely look to this project. Even the armpit. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/47 "2022-06-18T20:50:18Z")
Oh yeah, definitely those boroughs including Manhattan. And the Manhattan and Williamsburg bridges would be a lot busier. Also, I’m curious if it would affect the traffic for the FDR and West Side Highway. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/48 "2022-06-18T20:51:34Z")
Busier, but faster as local traffic doesn’t have to worry about through traffic as much. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/49 "2022-06-18T20:53:19Z")
Ah, that’s interesting. But depending on how deep underground the LOMEX plan is, would it affect how the subway runs? ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/50 "2022-06-18T21:01:07Z")
12 total subway lines would be potentially impacted. As long as the cut for the expressway isn’t too deep, though? None would be impacted in practice. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/51 "2022-06-18T21:05:29Z")
Oh wow, 12 does seem a lot tho. But still, would be interesting if this plan went through ---
**Author:** ![Symphonic](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/symphonic/32/84358_2.png) [@Symphonic](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Symphonic)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 9:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/52 "2022-06-18T21:07:34Z")
RIP to Essex Crossing in this proposal though haha ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/53 "2022-06-18T21:11:00Z")
And don’t forget Chinatown as well. Oh boy those people would definitely oppose the LOMEX plan ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2022, 9:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/54 "2022-06-18T21:44:55Z")
Essex Crossing would likely be moved a block south in this plan. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/56 "2022-06-19T16:42:56Z")
In my plan, I would also make improvements to Seward Park, extending Hester Street and Jefferson Street to meet at the northeast corner of the park, and be transformed into a single, long street. North of this improvement, this is also where I would essentially move Essex Crossing to. Then there’s the issue of One Manhattan Square. I would likely move the main tower to where the affordable housing component is now, giving priority access to the displaced tenants for the new units along the Manhattan Bridge High Rises. Squeezing out just enough room for the final high-rise on the Manhattan Bridge, this plan would connect the private motor court with the planned community space for 247 Cherry Street and make the newly-combined space a perfect congregation point for the block. ![BF8F5ABE-C604-4A8C-B0FE-D6FBCC18E5B9_1_201_a](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/0/30e1aa715d340481976fdb3f870a13f8efbea8fe.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/57 "2022-06-20T23:54:22Z")
A more detailed plan/account of the One Manhattan Square move: - Rotation of the main tower, elevated terrace and motor court 3.8 degrees clockwise for those specific elements to become aligned with the eastern lot line. - Translation of the main tower 91’ 3” to the east or until enough space has been cleared for the final planned concrete high rise on the Manhattan Bridge. - Rutgers Park will be sacrificed and replaced with the previously razed affordable housing component, which will back up against the Lands End 2 complex. - Frank T. Monica Way will be closed off, replaced with the western alignment of Rutgers Street. - Close the eastern stretch of Rutgers Street on the western edge of the Laguardia Houses - The reclaimed space will then be transformed into a good replacement for Rutgers Park. All these improvements will serve as needed corrective surgery for an extremely fraught block of the LES and open up key space for the Lower Manhattan Expressway ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 2:02am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/58 "2022-06-21T02:02:22Z")
> [@Shane\_Keena](#): > > Rotation of the main tower, elevated terrace and motor court 3.8 degrees clockwise for those specific elements to become aligned with the eastern lot line. Ah, that’s interesting especially for the tower ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 2:19am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/59 "2022-06-21T02:19:44Z")
It would have to be an extremely slow move, it couldn’t happen overnight, but it could work. Like the Indiana Bell Company Building move or the Lagena Primary School Move in Shanghai. Just need to seriously brace the lower floors of the tower for the move, and perfect the balancing act. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/60 "2022-06-21T02:20:23Z")
Imagine that happening to a skyscraper in real life 😳 ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 2:20am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/61 "2022-06-21T02:20:49Z")
Nervewracking for sure, but it could work. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2022, 2:21am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/62 "2022-06-21T02:21:16Z")
Probably would be one of history’s greatest achievements ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2023, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/shane-keenas-concepts/20135/63 "2023-01-09T23:53:44Z")
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