# PHILADELPHIA | Cathedral Square (222 North 17th Street) | 470 + 245 FT | 34 + 24 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Completed\ **Created:** [November 22, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105 "2019-11-22T23:17:31Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 11:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/1 "2019-11-22T23:17:31Z")
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**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/2 "2019-11-22T23:19:01Z")
“Cathedral Place A large project will be happening on the Archdiocese’s-owned lot that surrounds the Basilica of Saints Peter and Paul proposed for development in multiple phases. The request for LSNA to consider is a City Council-sponsored ordinance that will approve an adjustment from the existing RM4 designation to CMX-4, a change that will allow considerably more height and massing but will also accommodate a mix-use development versus only residential. With a zoning change to CMX-4 the building height will be restricted by Parkway overlays to 200’ on 18th St. (adjacent to the front of the basilica) and 245’ on Race St. (adjacent to the rear of the basilica), however the Northeast quadrant of the site, being outside of any overlay restrictions, could rise to the height limits defined by CMX-4 zoning. The developer proposes a **600’ tall structure** in this location by taking advantage of bonuses such as underground parking. It is the PDC’s preference that any change in zoning be addressed through a zoning variance for each phase of construction when designs are developed for review rather than a city council ordinance allowing for a full parcel change in zoning without any developed design. If the LSNA Board is in favor of the full parcel zoning change request, the PDC recommends a height restriction of 100-125 feet (aligning with the height of the Basilica nave/ west-façade and all other building heights around Logan Square) to the point east beyond the basilica dome.” [https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=bHNuYXBoaWxseS5vcmd8bHNuYXBoaWxseXxneDo3YzI0MmNlMzIyZjgzNjI](https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=bHNuYXBoaWxseS5vcmd8bHNuYXBoaWxseXxneDo3YzI0MmNlMzIyZjgzNjI) ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:01am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/3 "2020-01-23T04:01:46Z")
[https://www.phila.gov/media/20200122153934/Cathedral-Phase-1-CDR-Application-1.21.208616698.1.pdf](https://www.phila.gov/media/20200122153934/Cathedral-Phase-1-CDR-Application-1.21.208616698.1.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2020, 4:02am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/4 "2020-01-23T04:02:02Z")
![Screenshot_20200122-225936](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/8/3880b4ab6dc426e2cd71b151207157a8e2a75dbd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2020, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/5 "2020-01-30T21:35:35Z")
![Screenshot 2020-01-30 at 4.28.59 PM __01__ 01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/9/d9992a3878622422f1bb6642232db9f60ded2cfc.png) Phase 2 tower mass compared to the skyline ![Cathedral-Place-Philadelphia-Rendering-2-1024x837](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/d/5df4a327b0616784ad564bd43d6fd2ce92b8e5b3.png) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/2/1269ddcea6d4eb5ca0719eeca699ef758ef41aa7.jpeg) ![Cathedral-Place-Philadelphia-Rendering-1-1019x1024](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/6/56b0ff1234419ec1be43bff2eccf33684fb2351d.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/f/4f7de375aa97835cd5c96fa1c7d3eae479df6b70.jpeg) Phase 1 tower ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/6 "2020-02-03T19:18:56Z")
![Screenshot 2020-01-31 at 1.06.39 PM__01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/b/8be884dc73c1d113ddc963d0a704be42755bc6fd.png) ![Screenshot 2020-01-31 at 1.41.21 PM__01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/4/f4788aefabf67af350243e3f4047d3047c0c868b.png) ![Screenshot 2020-01-31 at 1.04.26 PM__01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/d/fd3a161d81d714665efa59b7f19f7cc7b66284e9.png) ![Screenshot 2020-01-31 at 1.19.57 PM__01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/f/ff1dd7356ffd743631a0102d2e6ac207aa54e3fc.png) ![Screenshot 2020-01-31 at 1.06.01 PM __01__ 01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/0/b01d584686c48b0abc77248db3a9f3c92d4f1dae.png) ![Screenshot 2020-01-31 at 1.02.29 PM__01](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/0/c00dce1eb46d9b5b9bff37e2019a27ad1841515c.png) ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/7 "2020-02-27T20:15:53Z")
> **[The Catholic cathedral’s place on Philly’s skyline is sacred. Will two new...](https://www.inquirer.com/real-estate/inga-saffron/philadelphia-cathedral-catholic-logan-square-parkway-architecture-skyscraper-development-inga-saffron-blue-glass-tower-20200227.html)** > > Before we strangle a Philadelphia icon with blue glass towers, let's see the whole plan. “Wineberg told me that Exeter has an ambitious construction schedule and wants to start work on the first tower this summer. Before that happens, Philadelphia deserves to know exactly what’s in store for this city icon.” ---
**Author:** ![Skier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skier/32/51464_2.png) [@Skier](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skier)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 11:43am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/8 "2020-07-25T11:43:07Z")
Permits were filed for the shorter tower-looks like it will be 23 floors instead of 24, and it will have 273 units. [Cathedral Place Permits](https://eclipse.phila.gov/phillylmsprod/pub/lms/Default.aspx?PossePresentation=Public&PosseObjectId=254065334) ---
**Author:** ![YIMBY](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/yimby/32/12_2.png) [@YIMBY](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMBY)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2020, 1:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/9 "2020-07-25T13:42:26Z")
Yassssssss! Go Philly! ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 6:03am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/10 "2020-11-25T06:03:11Z")
> **[Archdiocese to lease ground for two towers near cathedral](https://catholicphilly.com/2020/11/news/local-news/archdiocese-to-lease-ground-for-two-towers-near-cathedral/?fbclid=IwAR2xSOry-XMnZ4MXcgpnTxhzPrmi8LEP8eXPxN9o8xNjN2QlK0AxXNmwM8k)** > > Phase one to build a 23-story high rise next to the Archdiocesan Pastoral Center in Philadelphia will begin this month under a 99-year ground-lease agreement on the property adjacent to the Cathedral Basilica of SS. Peter and Paul. 245 foot tower starting soon ---
**Author:** ![Emoglez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/emoglez/32/24448_2.png) [@Emoglez](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Emoglez)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:03pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/11 "2020-11-25T17:03:18Z")
From same article^^^ ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/7/17bea5814651ca767c195d72772b24234b42c915.jpeg) A concept illustration shows at right the proposed phase one building and at left phase two for the Cathedral Block project on the site of the Cathedral Basilica of SS. Peter and Paul in Philadelphia. At bottom is the cathedral and its rectory, with the Archdiocesan Pastoral Center between the two proposed towers. (Rendering by the firm Solomon Cordwell Buenz) ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [November 25, 2020, 5:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/12 "2020-11-25T17:32:02Z")
Not a concept, but the actual massing of the towers. Hopefully we see the 685 foot tower design early next year ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [January 1, 2021, 1:04am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/13 "2021-01-01T01:04:11Z")
> **[Cathedral Square Phase Two Awaits Design Reveal in Logan Square, Center City...](https://phillyyimby.com/2020/12/cathedral-place-phase-2-awaits-design-reveal-in-logan-square-center-city.html)** > > Philly YIMBY visits the site of Cathedral Place Phase Two, a 685-foot-tall tower planned for 1700 Vine Street in Logan Square, Center City. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/c/2c9ebfae493e0a05182bebd4e48ca4f78af10b64.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Skier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skier/32/51464_2.png) [@Skier](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skier)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:33am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/14 "2021-01-02T02:33:20Z")
The new Comcast Tower looks stunning in that photo, almost like it’s still a rendering! ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/15 "2021-01-02T15:00:39Z")
This new building will be well placed filler. 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Skier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skier/32/51464_2.png) [@Skier](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skier)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2021, 1:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/16 "2021-02-14T13:38:30Z")
News from January, but excavation equipment is on site for the shorter tower and work is u dear way. We could hopefully see this thing start rising by the end of summer if we are lucky. ---
**Author:** ![Skier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skier/32/51464_2.png) [@Skier](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skier)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2021, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/17 "2021-02-19T15:43:19Z")
[Progress On Cathedral Place](https://www.radio.com/kywnewsradio/news/local/archdiocese-moves-ahead-with-cathedral-block-redevelopment) Good to see progress here! There is a picture of the site in the link ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/18 "2021-03-03T23:27:49Z")
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**Author:** ![Skier](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skier/32/51464_2.png) [@Skier](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skier)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2021, 1:03am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/19 "2021-03-04T01:03:31Z")
Good progress, I can’t wait for this thing to start rising within visibility of the Art Museum steps, always good to have towers frames visible from there ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-cathedral-square-222-north-17th-street-470-245-ft-34-24-floors/16105/20 "2021-07-19T18:20:32Z")
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