# PHILADELPHIA | 30th Street Station Renovation | 5 FLOORS
**URL:** https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906
**Category:** Under construction
**Created:** [July 5, 2016, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906 "2016-07-05T18:59:02Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [July 10, 2018, 2:17am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/21 "2018-07-10T02:17:28Z")
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2020, 2:01pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/23 "2020-06-14T14:01:40Z")
What they desperately need to do is bust through underground from the streetcar to 30th st station. I’ve never understood why this connection isn’t better.
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [June 14, 2020, 3:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/24 "2020-06-14T15:51:51Z")
Probably because Schuylkill Yards is more allinged with the busy part of the city and it’s closer to Cira, Evo and FMC, the towers that started the growth in West Philly. I think tenants would not look forward to hearing trains while they’re constructing the PD30 towers…though I think it’s pretty successful with Hudson Yards
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [June 18, 2020, 10:06pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/25 "2020-06-18T22:06:20Z")
> **[Amtrak Selects Development Team to Partner in Gray 30th Street Station...](https://media.amtrak.com/2020/06/amtrak-selects-development-team-to-partner-in-gray-30th-street-station-redevelopment/?fbclid=IwAR0wNnICxwmsplI6g_GPRSzj_wF5ycKiQq4bVpUT3hZSBJSPYsGBXzAGL6c)**
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> Amtrak has selected Plenary Infrastructure Philadelphia (PIP), a team with international expertise to form a master development partnership via ground lease for the renovation of William H. Gray III 30th Street Station.
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2020, 2:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/26 "2020-06-19T14:05:45Z")
They just renovated it about 12 years ago.
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [June 19, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/27 "2020-06-19T14:47:44Z")
It seems like they’re helping build the towers too
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### Author:  [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)
#### Post date: [September 16, 2021, 6:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/28 "2021-09-16T18:20:56Z")
> **[Amtrak, developer reach agreement on restoration and update of Philadelphia's...](https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/amtrak-developer-reach-agreement-on-restoration-and-update-of-philadelphias-30th-street-station/?fbclid=IwAR18pVki8I7-00yaCqzw7wtK0gGn_OZdPEgG_LIb0hrwzX-gpUqohGYvlow)**
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> PHILADELPHIA — Amtrak has reached agreement with developer Plenary Infrastructure Philadelphia on a lease and development agreement for restoration and renovation of its main station in Philadelphia, the William H. Gray III 30th Street Station. Under...
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### Author:  [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/29 "2023-06-06T15:23:05Z")
> **[A New, Transit-Centered Neighborhood for Philadelphia](https://www.governing.com/transportation/a-new-transit-centered-neighborhood-for-philadelphia)**
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> A 90-year-old train station will anchor a $10 billion investment in urban development that could result in as much as 18 million square feet of new commercial and residential space over the next several decades.
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### Author:  [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)
#### Post date: [June 6, 2023, 6:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/30 "2023-06-06T18:24:41Z")
Philadelphia will hopefully see massive change here with the 30th Street Station Master Plan and the Center City Septa Railyard project.
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 3:30am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/31 "2023-10-27T03:30:15Z")
> **[Schuylkill Yards Philadelphia: What to know about $3.5B development at Drexel](https://billypenn.com/2023/10/25/schuylkill-yards-philadelphia-drexel-brandywine-realty-trust-development/)**
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> Brandywine Realty Trust is the partner in the project, which just marked a milestone with its second tower.
“Drexel and Brandywine originally wanted to create an even bigger Schuylkill Yards by capping part of the Amtrak railyard north of 30th Street station and extending the street grid over the tracks. **But Sweeney told the Inquirer he dropped the idea because of the difficulty of building over the Northeast Corridor train line and the amount of time it would take.** ”
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:22pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/32 "2023-10-27T14:22:46Z")
Building over the tracks very expensive especially considering the amount of open land available nearby.
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/33 "2023-10-27T14:24:34Z")
I just find it funny that they’ve been wanting to do this since the 80’s, probably even before too. The right developer and the sacrifice to spend so much is the only way it could get done
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/34 "2023-10-27T14:27:41Z")
Philly has so many problems. There’s a mentality issue about getting things done and it stems from Harrisburg.
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/35 "2023-10-27T14:37:43Z")
Every city has their pros and cons
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [October 27, 2023, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/36 "2023-10-27T14:41:27Z")
They keep plugging along!
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### Author:  [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 3:49pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/37 "2023-11-18T15:49:55Z")
> **[Major renovations coming to Philadelphia's 30th Street Station](https://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/transportation-and-transit/major-renovations-coming-to-philadelphias-30th-street-station/3699016/)**
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> Amtrak reveals updated plans for a large-scale renovation and restoration project for Philadelphia's 30th Street Station.
Renovation on 30th Street Station started in 2021
Renovations on the new corporate office starts November 2023
Renovation of the retail areas will be underway in January 2024
Market Street Plaza starts construction in September 2025
All renovations and construction could be complete by the end of 2027
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### Author:  [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)
#### Post date: [November 18, 2023, 6:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/38 "2023-11-18T18:25:13Z")
I’m sure this will very nice. But it’s annoying that they have yet to move forward with restoring the tunnel connecting to the subway.
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2023, 2:12pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/39 "2023-11-19T14:12:10Z")
There’s a tunnel that goes all the way to the subway?
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### Author:  [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2023, 4:18pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/40 "2023-11-19T16:18:34Z")
Yes, it’s mentioned in this article here:
> **[SEPTA and Amtrak reconnecting train stations at 30th Street](https://billypenn.com/2023/08/14/amtrak-septa-connector-30th-street-station-tunnel/?mc_cid=483c0c9184&mc_eid=ce690e674d)**
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> Currently, travelers must navigate a busy street that funnels car traffic off I-76, without any signs offering clear direction.
> In the mid-20th century, there was a direct connection between the two 30th Street stations that made wayfinding simple.
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> Few photos or schematics of that former connector are easily accessible, but David Brownlee, a professor emeritus of modern architecture at the University of Pennsylvania, remembers it clearly.
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> “There was a stairway — and maybe an escalator” in the middle of the above-ground concourse leading from one side of the Amtrak station to the Great Hall, Brownlee recalled, describing how it “narrow[ed] down into an underground tunnel connecting to the blue line and the green line” in SEPTA’s Market Street station.
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> “It was an enormous advantage not having to come up from the subway and cross the street,” Brownlee said.
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> The tunnel was shut down in 1984 due to concerns around storm leakage, inadequate lighting, and fire hazards.
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### Author:  [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)
#### Post date: [November 19, 2023, 4:52pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/philadelphia-30th-street-station-renovation-5-floors/2906/41 "2023-11-19T16:52:53Z")
That explains a lot. Thank you. I always wondered why the SEPTA station led toward Penn, then came to an abrupt halt.
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