# Pacific North West High Speed Rail **URL:** \ **Category:** meta\ **Created:** [June 17, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421 "2022-06-17T19:28:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/1 "2022-06-17T19:28:43Z")
> **[A first step toward high-speed rail in the Pacific Northwest](https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/2022/06/10/high-speed-rail-150-million-pacific-northwest)** > > A proposed ultra-fast bullet train would connect Portland, Seattle and British Columbia. Interesting. Obviously they’d need to find the money, a lot of money, and figure out the entire route and everything, but this could be good. Also maybe a connection to CHSR somewhere around 2060? (I’ll be in my 50s, yikes.) ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/2 "2022-06-17T19:31:10Z")
> **[What would high speed rail mean for the Pacific Northwest?](https://www.opb.org/article/2021/12/06/high-speed-rail-pacific-northwest/)** > > What if you could get from Portland to Seattle in an hour? That’s the vision behind the Cascadia Ultra High Speed Ground Transportation project. > **[The dream of high speed rail in the PNW may finally be on the horizon](https://crosscut.com/environment/2021/11/dream-high-speed-rail-pnw-may-finally-be-horizon)** > > Rail advocates argue new lines will grow the economy, shrink mobility inequalities and help decarbonize the region. > **[Pacific Northwest bullet train is starting to receive some funding - Railway...](https://www.rtands.com/passenger/pacific-northwest-bullet-train-is-starting-to-receive-some-funding/)** > > A Pacific Northwest bullet train is starting to receive some funding, but the U.S. DOT and other state agencies need to get on board. > **[Anti-High-Speed Rail Rhetoric Takes Root in Local Legislative Districts](https://www.theurbanist.org/2022/06/17/anti-high-speed-rail-rhetoric-takes-root-in-local-legislative-districts/)** > > The fight is starting over high-speed rail in Washington State. On Wednesday night, the 36th District Democrats considered a resolution to oppose the use of Climate Commitment Act funds in developi… > **[Ultra-high speed rail study | WSDOT](https://wsdot.wa.gov/construction-planning/search-studies/ultra-high-speed-rail-study)** > > WSDOT is studying how ultra-high-speed ground transportation (UHSGT) might serve as a catalyst to transform the Pacific Northwest. A stronger, better connected economic megaregion — stretching from greater Vancouver, British Columbia to metro... A report will be submitted to the Governor and Legislature by June 30, 2023. Roughly a year from now. “A stronger, better connected economic megaregion — stretching from greater Vancouver, British Columbia to metro Seattle, Washington to Portland, Oregon — has the potential to thrive in the global marketplace” Vancouver to Portland. That’s good… ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/3 "2022-09-10T13:55:17Z")
> **[Opinion: BC needs to show its support for Vancouver-Seattle high-speed rail |...](https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/vancouver-seattle-portland-high-speed-rail-business-support)** > > Businesses in British Columbia need to join governments in showing their support for high-speed rail linking Vancouver, Seattle, and Portland. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/4 "2022-09-11T13:48:22Z")
The train will still make a stop at the border for customs. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/5 "2022-09-11T13:50:48Z")
I don’t think that’s true. The pre-pandemic train between Seattle and Vancouver had all its border/customs formalities handled at Vancouver station, not at the border. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:54pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/6 "2022-09-11T14:54:51Z")
Good to know. Last time I took that route was 18 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/7 "2022-09-18T16:47:42Z")
> **[Oregon officials discuss regional airports, high-speed rail](https://pamplinmedia.com/but/239-news/558071-446646-oregon-officials-discuss-regional-airports-high-speed-rail)** > > Port of Portland and Metro executives speak at climate conference of two states and Canadian province. [https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6582003](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6582003) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2022, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/8 "2022-09-22T23:15:05Z")
> **[B.C. invests in high-speed rail study to link major Pacific Northwest cities...](https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022PREM0061-001374)** > > The Province is supporting the feasibility of a high-speed rail service connecting Vancouver, Seattle and Portland with a $300,000 investment in the next phase of the Ultra High Speed Ground Transportation Project. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [October 10, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/9 "2022-10-10T23:46:32Z")
> **[Seattle-Vancouver High Speed Rail Part 4: Terminals](https://seattletransitblog.com/2017/08/09/seattle-vancouver-high-speed-rail-part-4-terminals/)** > > Last week, I covered part 3 in the series about Seattle-Vancouver high-speed rail, covering the Bellingham-Vancouver segment; the first two parts, by Zach Shaner, covered Seattle-Everett and Everet… Just had a quick look at the beginning. To answer the question of suburban vs downtown station location, it’s downtown obviously. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/10 "2022-10-11T14:41:10Z")
Vancouver train station is very far from downtown, and up a steep hill. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/11 "2022-10-11T16:30:45Z")
The Pacific Central Station, which is Vancouver’s intercity railway station, is very close to downtown, only two stops away on the SkyTrain. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 1:46am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/12 "2022-12-08T01:46:55Z")
[https://bikeportland.org/2022/12/05/metro-council-will-hear-plan-for-ultra-high-speed-rail-367840/amp](https://bikeportland.org/2022/12/05/metro-council-will-hear-plan-for-ultra-high-speed-rail-367840/amp) ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 8:23pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/13 "2023-02-25T20:23:39Z")
> **[Lawmakers introduce bill that would require ultra-high-speed rail project to...](https://www.opb.org/article/2023/02/25/cascadia-bullet-train-pacific-northwest-transportation-portland-seattle-eugene-politics/)** > > A bill introduced in the Oregon Legislature would require Oregon to insist that the envisioned Portland-to-Seattle-to-Vancouver, B.C. bullet train include service all the way to Eugene. ---
**Author:** ![SideStreet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/sidestreet/32/72746_2.png) [@SideStreet](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/SideStreet)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 7:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/14 "2023-02-28T19:17:14Z")
This is not unexpected. I lived in Eugene for almost 2 years and know Portland well. The Willamette river valley (in which both cities and the capital Salem lie) is the political, economic and population heart of Oregon. If the terminus of high speed rail was Portland, the benefit to most Oregonians would be limited. Eugene is the largest city on I5 south of Portland until you hit Sacramento (nearly 500 miles south of Eugene). ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/15 "2023-02-28T20:00:38Z")
That’s not exactly true. 2020 Census shows Eugene population at 174,753, while Salem has 175,432. July 2021 Census estimate shows a slightly wider gap - Eugene is 175,096, Salem is 177,723. > **[U.S. Census Bureau QuickFacts: Salem city, Oregon; Eugene city, Oregon;...](https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/salemcityoregon,eugenecityoregon,US/PST045222)** > > Frequently requested statistics for: Salem city, Oregon; Eugene city, Oregon; United States ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/16 "2023-02-28T20:30:14Z")
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**Author:** ![SideStreet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/sidestreet/32/72746_2.png) [@SideStreet](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/SideStreet)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2023, 9:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/17 "2023-02-28T21:30:52Z")
Well, I meant south of Eugene there’s no city Eugene’s size until Sacramento. Portland is almost 600 miles north of Sacramento. My wording could’ve been more precise, but yes Salem and Eugene are about the same size, although Eugene has a significant-sized twin city in Springfield (61K) next door. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/3/33d75c5f0d42004e1d91576214787a5dbea524ed.png) ---
**Author:** ![F.Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/91b2a8/32.png) [@F.Wright](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/F.Wright)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/18 "2023-03-01T03:19:15Z")
If you connect Vancouver to Eugene Then connect San Diego to San Francisco Its inevitable that they will eventually connect Eugene with Sacramento. ---
**Author:** ![SideStreet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/sidestreet/32/72746_2.png) [@SideStreet](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/SideStreet)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 11:50am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/19 "2023-03-01T11:50:29Z")
Portland to Eugene adds 110 miles of track maybe costs a few Billion to connect the population spine of Oregon. South of Eugene and North of Sacramento is a 450 mile stretch of low population density. Maybe in the distant future it might be possible to connect those 2 rail state rail networks but considering PNW rail hasn’t even started now I imagine that’s 30 years from being realistic. ---
**Author:** ![F.Wright](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/91b2a8/32.png) [@F.Wright](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/F.Wright)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2023, 1:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421/20 "2023-03-01T13:08:50Z")
Oh yeah, I’m talking way into the future. But I do think that some day, far far away, you will be able to take a high speed train from Vancouver all the way down to San Diego. [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/pacific-north-west-high-speed-rail/21421.md?page=2)