# Old Skyscraper Renderings and Construction **URL:** https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199 **Category:** Discussion Topic **Created:** [November 29, 2016, 12:43am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199 "2016-11-29T00:43:35Z") **Posts on this page:** 20 **Page:** 5
### Author: ![Springboss123\_456](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/springboss123_456/32/182744_2.png) [@Springboss123\_456](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Springboss123_456) #### Post date: [October 30, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/83 "2021-10-30T13:30:09Z")
[https://www.instagram.com/p/CUkLEC4oE17/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CUkLEC4oE17/) ---
### Author: ![Springboss123\_456](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/springboss123_456/32/182744_2.png) [@Springboss123\_456](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Springboss123_456) #### Post date: [November 15, 2021, 1:57pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/84 "2021-11-15T13:57:55Z")
[https://www.instagram.com/p/CWKGRE3Ib05/?utm\_medium=copy\_link](https://www.instagram.com/p/CWKGRE3Ib05/?utm_medium=copy_link) ---
### Author: ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne) #### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 9:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/85 "2021-11-17T21:15:33Z")
Empire State Building under construction. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/e/8e9568dffaf4c4c770b701f4f02341cb8cc16872.jpeg) ---
### Author: ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart) #### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/86 "2021-11-17T21:20:51Z")
The ESB and Chrysler building in these photos look absolutely massive, towering above absolutely everything else. But then you look at a modern photo and the Chrysler building is barely visible, though the ESB still hangs on due to it’s position and 1,400+ tip. Nothing to be sad about, but very interesting. ---
### Author: ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne) #### Post date: [November 17, 2021, 11:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/87 "2021-11-17T23:30:28Z")
For a similar effect on the skyline today, the Grand Hyatt can replace the Chrysler Building, but there is no proposed “substitute” for the Empire State Building’s impact on the skyline. ---
### Author: ![Springboss123\_456](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/springboss123_456/32/182744_2.png) [@Springboss123\_456](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Springboss123_456) #### Post date: [January 20, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/88 "2022-01-20T03:14:11Z")
[http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/383madison/](http://wirednewyork.com/skyscrapers/383madison/) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/0/60c9198f38ae5cb259c82546695113cf4a228fee.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/c/7c0c74d0ce2e42a8e2ab3cff39174267ce7896bc.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/b/0b75240f9bc80417858af4574d16384b9d7a1df7.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/9/69a6e6838ef8fc32964de790b29261f5d38d8f96.jpeg) 383 Madison Avenue under construction ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [January 27, 2022, 12:22am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/89 "2022-01-27T00:22:51Z")
![20220126_131859](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/1/a133d5c3cbd0f0998a50ef7a43b04654984be2f8.jpeg) ![20220126_132644](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/e/6effef41527233d91f9c8b16f1c195e13da4560f.jpeg) ![20220126_131756](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/a/0a15921800a0a15e7f0c2f29f4c29c919c974ec6.jpeg) One Liberty Place ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [January 27, 2022, 12:23am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/90 "2022-01-27T00:23:29Z")
![Picsart_22-01-26_13-23-37-195](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/0/d0231f3d7d39aaab89c6eea35dedb049a5e21edf.jpeg) I fixed the model rendering for the current shape of the crown ---
### Author: ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen) #### Post date: [January 28, 2022, 12:04am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/91 "2022-01-28T00:04:30Z")
Do you have the pictures from a book? ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [January 28, 2022, 1:32am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/92 "2022-01-28T01:32:33Z")
Yes. I’ll post more soon ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [January 28, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/93 "2022-01-28T20:00:26Z")
![20220124_185048](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/7/f7097df4ea3cad5c6c1b49b5278c916b4a9252ad.jpeg) One of the designs drawn in 1984, just before the complex was finalized. One Liberty’s roof height is 825 feet here ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [January 29, 2022, 4:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/94 "2022-01-29T16:42:52Z")
![20220129_113041](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/0/703115025a91917772f34b85534c0ce445004ef1.jpeg) ![20220129_113128](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/3/833c76ee119cb5b0c0f76c7f3cdbba57fb892fb7.jpeg) ![20220129_113141](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/8/c8fc44794099b0842615e36828d4a2c836cd8198.jpeg) ![20220129_113200](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/4/f40e3f2a7e247e8643cf4aede09030f7f18c3827.jpeg) ![20220129_113217](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/b/eb5320a4bff9c9ae204c1afd115fd94cd359c6a6.jpeg) ![20220129_113232](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/8/d8c6dfcea89e2adc3b396b872b1394484d30e862.jpeg) ![20220129_113249](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/6/8614de4aae2910348e709f6a53f04eb4f9b275dd.jpeg) ![20220129_113308](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/f/8f67230f7873527a0be8c38cbc8e4c5bf520e2b1.jpeg) ---
### Author: ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen) #### Post date: [February 13, 2022, 10:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/95 "2022-02-13T22:50:26Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/7/b7e403c233da777fe92bf226284434c9bb200dbd.jpeg) Render From the City Hall in Philadelphia 1876 ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/1/5177f28e841b661c5c93b4c4dd9ae53edbc488ee.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/7/e7e2fe778d6f4708c0676198385b12b724bc65c5.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/b/6bfd938441f7861ee45f1482bb47a36d25b8077c.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/6/f6de747973e0364ee4353aaf819dd995a5d09219.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/5/5533cbd1ec3d334408740573f0dabc5f16f09cc2.jpeg) „Das neue Stadthaus in Philadelphia Nach dem Entuwrf von Architekt J. McArther gezeichnet F. H. Loenholt“. “The new city hall in Philadelphia, designed by architect J. McArther, drawn F. H. Loenholt”. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/2/224927d760238bb4889e29c2a8f51bdd079501f4.jpeg) A bit of information from the accompanying text: The author regretted that the building could not be completed by July 4, 1876. The tower has a height of 505 feet. The whole building includes 520 rooms and has four elevators. The marble cost 5.8 million dollars and the granite cost 550000 dollars. ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [February 14, 2022, 7:13am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/96 "2022-02-14T07:13:41Z")
Imagine if it was constructed that fast. It was built from 1871 to 1901 and stands 548 feetvtall. Notice how in that design the top is slightly different, there’s no cornice separating the clock and steeple and the eagle statues woukd be on top of the clock along with the native american and dutch setteler statues at a lower spot ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [February 15, 2022, 1:38am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/97 "2022-02-15T01:38:28Z")
![DSC_0422](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/8/483cd3aa4eeb65d944550db18ca69001af46dc28.jpeg) Nearly the same angle, you can see the difference on the clock tower ---
### Author: ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen) #### Post date: [February 15, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/98 "2022-02-15T21:32:45Z")
Nice photo 👍 Why was the tower built differently than originally proposed? Are there static drawings of the building and the tower? ---
### Author: ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen) #### Post date: [March 21, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/99 "2022-03-21T23:49:12Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/1/810d5eb815d97568bbff5ae2168f19c9d74b9c58.jpeg) Wind bracing of the west front of the Woolworth Building tower from the 4th floor down. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/2/02840e5772bcb9767a659af6579002efc1133ceb.jpeg) Portal dressing of the Woolworth Building. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/8/78cb358983974f35fa4af83999ea81dd4be0a8a8.jpeg) Cross section S and T were used on many talls Skyscrapers around 1910 (Singer Building, City Investing Building,…) Load capacity over 1000 tons. Cross section W was used for the interior columns of the old MetLife Building. Cross-section Y was used for the corner columns of the MetLife Building load capacity over 3000 tons in the lower floors. Why so heavy the columns must withstand not only the building load but also the wind pressure (tower). Cross section X was used at the Woolworth Building load capacity over 4000 tons. ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [April 18, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/100 "2022-04-18T20:41:12Z")
![Picsart_22-04-18_14-55-02-117](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/a/6adb9127cca281511fa3f409c384585ccafc063d.jpeg) ![Picsart_22-04-18_15-51-19-725](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/c/8c60cd723c9a7219463d5bbd2ab800c9ef952354.jpeg) ---
### Author: ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen) #### Post date: [June 26, 2022, 8:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/101 "2022-06-26T20:34:41Z")
This is not a skyscraper: Daleware Bridge under construction ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/a/0a680eccaf35b5994f352742d8dac484f510d6a9.jpeg) Caisson foundation on the Camden site ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/3/1320b7c4f6ef5f7b18e22d11185779c29a79ae74.jpeg) Eye sticks before concreting one ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/c/2c302e30b1e8ed254be8d1dfa372e5818d3b68b1.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/1/01c87947a71bdeca369f0d1a07dd61ea577b72ef.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/0/f01f8e3a5dd0ff39a8bea007137a3287305088e8.jpeg) A few pictures of the laying of the cable. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/2/42c4b8082da40a6a766a2597f104b5aa8e7ea380.jpeg) The bridge shortly after completion and inauguration. ---
### Author: ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000) #### Post date: [June 26, 2022, 9:56pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199/102 "2022-06-26T21:56:41Z")
![DSC_1193](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/5/9580569bbed3d8ba136ff9c7ac9b17a9839c3e90.jpeg) And here it is yesterday [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/old-skyscraper-renderings-and-construction/3199.md?page=6)