# NYC Underground **URL:** \ **Category:** New York\ **Created:** [November 5, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673 "2021-11-05T22:09:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 1:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/122 "2024-09-01T13:24:55Z")
Right. Scratchitti etc. Look at how often deli doors get bashed. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2024, 9:46am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/123 "2024-09-05T09:46:09Z")
> **[MTA rolls out cell service between stations on Midtown’s 42nd Street Shuttle](https://gothamist.com/news/riders-will-soon-have-cell-service-between-stations-on-midtown-subway-line)** > > The 42nd Street Shuttle is the latest to be equipped with the technology allowing service between stations. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [October 9, 2024, 2:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/124 "2024-10-09T14:48:57Z")
The Staten Island Railway’s R211 cars made their debut and the first set is now in service. > **[Staten Island Railway gets new train cars for first time in 50 years](https://gothamist.com/news/staten-island-railway-gets-new-train-cars-for-first-time-in-50-years)** > > The cars replace ones from 1973, which entered service when the Staten Island Railway was referred to as the "Toonerville Trolley." > **[First R211S Subway Cars Launched into Service on Staten Island Railway, First...](https://new.mta.info/press-release/first-r211s-subway-cars-launched-service-staten-island-railway-first-new-train-cars)** ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 2:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/125 "2024-10-11T14:20:31Z")
I rode one of the new trains on the C line recently. They’re pretty much the same as the last model. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/126 "2024-10-11T16:32:33Z")
One or two of the sets have open gangways, which is new for the subway; the rest are functionally the same. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [October 11, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/127 "2024-10-11T22:54:35Z")
There are two 5-car sets of the R211T—two complete 10-car trains. One set has a “hard-shell” gangway design with solid panels, and the other is a “soft-shell” version with a walkway similar to an articulated bus and slightly wider. Also, open-gangway cars aren’t new to the subway. The first cars to have them were experimental BMT “Bluebirds” and “MS/Multi-Section” cars along with the D-type triplex units. A complete set of D-type triplexes are preserved and occasionally venture out on Transit Museum excursions. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/128 "2024-10-28T22:11:23Z")
Happy belated birthday! > **[Happy 120th Birthday, New York City Subway!](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/28/nyregion/120th-anniversary-subway.html)** > > The first subway train left from City Hall on Oct. 27, 1904. Riders on the C train say the subway is essential to their lives as New Yorkers. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [November 5, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/129 "2024-11-05T00:18:46Z")
A bunch of Second Avenue Subway work is ongoing - mainly preliminary stuff such as utility relocation. [https://new.mta.info/document/154331](https://new.mta.info/document/154331) ---
**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 7:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/130 "2024-11-12T19:17:15Z")
Interesting: [![42nd+St+Mega+Station+4200](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/7/07cfa0aff904b1fce28ffaedffbcd1d811fa576b.jpeg)](https://www.projectsubwaynyc.com/gallery) [PROJECT SUBWAY](https://www.projectsubwaynyc.com/gallery) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [November 24, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/131 "2024-11-24T15:04:31Z")
> **[NYC’s shiny new trains sidelined just one month after their debut — and it’s...](https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/us-news/nycs-shiny-new-trains-sidelined-just-one-month-after-their-debut-and-its-not-clear-when-theyll-be-back/)** > > The Metropolitan Transportation Authority sidelined Staten Island’s newest train cars just one month after their debut — and it’s not clear when exactly they’ll be back on the tra… ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 7:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/132 "2024-12-15T19:09:55Z")
> **[MTA to get rid of remaining ‘80s orange-and-yellow-seated subway cars in 2025](https://nypost.com/2024/12/14/us-news/mta-to-get-rid-of-remaining-80s-orange-and-yellow-seated-subway-cars-in-2025/)** > > The MTA’s longtime orange-and-yellow seated subway cars are riding off into the sunset next year. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2024, 11:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/133 "2024-12-15T23:41:28Z")
This isn’t surprising and is what many expected. The R68s and R46s are the oldest cars currently operating on the subway (outside of the SIR’s R44s which are being replaced by R211S series cars). The loss of forward-facing seats sucks but it’s necessary as some of those cars are literally falling apart and are also not CBTC compatible. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2024, 2:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/134 "2024-12-16T14:38:47Z")
Good. I don’t like the configuration of those seats. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 7:17am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/135 "2024-12-17T07:17:24Z")
The MTA is going to order 8 more R211T open-gangway trainsets (80 cars) and will shift the two on the C to the G as well. > **[MTA to order 80 more 'open gangway' subway cars, plans to deploy some on G train](https://gothamist.com/news/mta-to-order-80-more-open-gangway-subway-cars-plans-to-deploy-some-on-g-train)** > > Transit officials say the new train cars are part of an order that will arrive by 2028. > **[NYC getting more open-gangway subway cars amid new MTA order](https://www.nydailynews.com/2024/12/16/nyc-getting-more-open-gangway-subway-cars-amid-new-mta-order/)** > > The MTA board is poised to buy 80 new “open-gangway” R211T subway cars, part of a larger, 435-car purchase option from train-builder Kawasaki that was delayed by the pause on congestion… [https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/g-line-getting-popular-open-gangway-cars-next-year-in-mta-s-pricy-new-train-buy/ar-AA1vYH85](https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/g-line-getting-popular-open-gangway-cars-next-year-in-mta-s-pricy-new-train-buy/ar-AA1vYH85) > **[MTA Board to Approve Option to Purchase Additional 435 R211 Subway Cars,...](https://new.mta.info/press-release/mta-board-approve-option-purchase-additional-435-r211-subway-cars-including-80-open)** ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2024, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/136 "2024-12-17T22:38:58Z")
The LIRR is going to consider replacing their garbage EMD DE/DM30AC’s with new dual-mode locomotives from Siemens. They will most likely be similar to the ones Metro North got but their third rail is bottom-running so they’ll have different collector shoes. > **[MTA considers $788 million deal for new locomotives](https://www.newsday.com/long-island/transportation/mta-dual-mode-locomotives-gunit2p0)** > > MTA to replace aging diesel locomotives with new dual-mode engines, enhancing reliability and reducing emissions for Long Island commuters. [Click this in case the article page doesn’t load for you - It didn’t for me.](https://archive.ph/t70JQ) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 1:43pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/137 "2024-12-18T13:43:31Z")
Unlike Metro North, they won’t be able to serve Grand Central, as LIRR has stubbornly declined exploring ways to allow trains on the diesel divisions (Oyster Bay, Pt Jeff, Greenport and Montauk) to travel to and from both Midtown terminals. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 5:02pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/138 "2024-12-18T17:02:37Z")
I think it may have to do with tunnel clearances. Considering the East Side Access tunnels were dug in the 1970s, the clearances might be too small for their double-deck C3 coaches and diesel fleet. The coaches and locomotives are most likely too tall or too wide. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2024, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/139 "2024-12-18T17:16:33Z")
> [@ALC11](#): > > dual-mode locomotives from Siemens. And no one can manufacture dual-mode locomotives and single-deck coaches that fit into the 63rd St tunnel? ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 6:49am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/140 "2025-02-12T06:49:24Z")
The PANYNJ has provided us with a nice update regarding the Hoboken PATH Station renovation. They have the station completely stripped down and tracks ripped up. No time is being wasted with this one. There is even captions for the photos describing some of the work that is going on. > **[Out with the Old in First Week of PATH Hoboken Closure](https://www.panynj.gov/port-authority/en/blogs/rail/out-with-the-old-in-first-week-of-path-hoboken-closure.html)** > > It’s out with the old and in with the new at the PATH Hoboken station. The first week of the station closure focused on chiseling, jackhammering, and melting away old infrastructure before hauling it out to make way for new platforms, stairs, tracks... There is also a flickr album and a video showing more details about the work. [[Album] Feb. 2025-PATH Hoboken closure: Week 1 Update ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/2/02f3805fa332cd83ebab487e61b375e63ab7b770.jpeg "Feb. 2025-PATH Hoboken closure: Week 1 Update") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/panynj/albums/72177720323675266/) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/a/3a3767d80630bad49171e79f1c583f8e215a24f3.jpeg "Hoboken Week 1 B-Roll HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_VeEndjiGo) ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2025, 1:45pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/141 "2025-02-12T13:45:39Z")
This is a great update article. I feel like PANYNJ has been doing a good job of that with most of their projects lately. Portal bridge, tonnelle ave bridge etc. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673.md?page=8)