# NYC Underground **URL:** \ **Category:** New York\ **Created:** [November 5, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673 "2021-11-05T22:09:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![ah504](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/ah504/32/67850_2.png) [@ah504](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ah504)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 5:06pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/82 "2024-02-28T17:06:25Z")
feel like it would be more effective to use the same barrier they are testing out elsewhere…they do deter you from standing in front from my own personal observation because of the perceived lack of room between you and the tracks ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/83 "2024-02-28T19:04:13Z")
I agree. The fence barriers actually keep you from venturing into that area due to their inherent design. This new pilot attempt wont stop anyone from walking between the poles, going into the area and socking a conductor in the face. ---
**Author:** ![yesinmybackyard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/71e660/32.png) [@yesinmybackyard](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/yesinmybackyard)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 2:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/84 "2024-02-29T14:34:56Z")
last night a conductor got slashed in the neck when he stuck his head out while approaching a station ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/85 "2024-02-29T14:36:12Z")
Do trains have a precise stopping point at each station? I am under the impression that trains can have different lengths, depending on time of day. Is that correct? ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 3:55pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/86 "2024-02-29T15:55:09Z")
I read about that: > **[Subway conductor stable after being slashed in neck at Brooklyn station](https://abc7ny.com/subway-slashing-crime-brooklyn-conductor-attacked/14478679/)** > > Officials say the attack happened at the Rockaway Avenue station at around 3:40 a.m. on Thursday. This is my favourite quote from the article: > “It’s crazy, I ain’t going to lie. For a conductor to get stabbed in the neck, it’s just crazy,” one person said. I am glad that person didn’t lie! It’s important to tell the truth. ---
**Author:** ![ramvid01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@ramvid01](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ramvid01)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 6:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/87 "2024-02-29T18:50:52Z")
That is a really deep cut. I hope they find this person who attacked him quickly. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/88 "2024-02-29T20:05:55Z")
> [@stache](#): > > Do trains have a precise stopping point at each station? I am under the impression that trains can have different lengths, depending on time of day. Is that correct? Train length _does_ vary, but typically on most routes the standard 60 foot B-Division (Lettered routes) are 10 car trains while 75 footers are made up in 8 car trains. The exeptions of this are the Franklin Ave shuttle which runs 2-car trains, Rockaway Park Shuttle which runs 4-car trains and the G which runs 5 car trains. A-Division (Numbered routes) all use 10 car 52 foot long cars with the exception of the 7 which uses 11 cars and the 42nd Street shuttle which uses 6 cars. I have not heard of trains being made shorter or longer depending on the time of day. Also, yes there _is_ a certain typical stopping point where the conductor has to point at a white and black striped “Zebra Board” which is in the middle of the station. [https://nowiknow.com/safety-zebras/](https://nowiknow.com/safety-zebras/) > **[Why Do Subway Conductors Always Point After Pulling Into a Station? | 6sqft](https://www.6sqft.com/why-do-subway-conductors-always-point-after-pulling-into-a-station/)** > > Have you noticed that subway conductors point out their window every time they pull into a station? Here's why. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [February 29, 2024, 9:57pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/89 "2024-02-29T21:57:28Z")
Thank you! ---
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/90 "2024-03-19T15:44:15Z")
> **[MTA will spend $100M to revitalize 2 grimy, historic NYC subway stations](https://gothamist.com/news/mta-will-spend-100m-to-revitalize-2-grimy-historic-nyc-subway-stations?fbclid=IwAR1d0Iu1cjU3x3G2tcgfcfgCQqyU96I9aor4m6SFih5pdj1RpFq9u7mBh-Q)** > > They've become symbols of the subway’s disrepair. It’s Chambers Street and 190th Street. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 4:13pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/91 "2024-03-19T16:13:53Z")
That’s a lot of money! Are they gold-plating the platforms? ---
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 4:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/92 "2024-03-19T16:15:11Z")
Who knows but Chambers is such a dump I wouldn’t be surprised if it needed a full demo. All the sub-contractors don’t help. We have so many stations to repair and should be constantly expanding. Those repairs should be brought in house. ---
**Author:** ![tjr101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tjr101/32/125010_2.png) [@tjr101](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/tjr101)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/93 "2024-03-19T16:37:47Z")
100 million for only 2 stations is indeed a lot of money. Admittedly the Chambers Street station is deplorable and it’s like a complete rebuilding needed. Years of turning a blind eye and neglect gets us to this point. ---
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 4:56pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/94 "2024-03-19T16:56:12Z")
Didn’t they just finish “renovating” Chambers? Granted it was not a “full” renovation, but it seems like poor planning for there to be two such projects in such a short period of time. > **[MTA Installs Elevators, Completes Other Improvements at Chambers St J/Z Station](https://new.mta.info/MTA-Installs-Elevators-Completes-Other-Improvements-at-Chambers-St-JZ-Station)** Chambers is a massive station and in very poor shape, plus there’s a huge building on top of it which I’m sure complicates things. I get why that would be expensive. Still, it’s criminal that MTA can’t do any of this in-house the way other transit agencies do. Using contractors inflates the cost 2-3x, which is a _massive_ waste of _our_ money. ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/95 "2024-03-19T18:29:18Z")
> [@tjr101](#): > > Years of turning a blind eye and neglect gets us to this point. _I have found some good insight into these sort of problems in the words of this very wise man: let me share news on his recent book._ **Excerpt from the book -** by Philip K Howard. **Big projects—say, modernizing infrastructure—get stalled in years of review. Endemic social problems such as homelessness become, well, more endemic. Philip K Howard.** **[https://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Freedom-Designing-Framework-Flourishing/dp/1957588209](https://www.amazon.com/Everyday-Freedom-Designing-Framework-Flourishing/dp/1957588209)** ---
**Author:** ![streetscaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@streetscaper](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/streetscaper)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/96 "2024-03-19T19:10:35Z")
The Enhanced Initiative renovations that took place a few years ago were about $30 million each I seem to recall (for run-of-the-mill, non-connecting, average-sized stations). These are the nice ones that are like 72nd on the A, most of the Astoria N stops, etc. A much larger station like Chambers I could see being 50 million+ if it’s of the same caliber renovation. (I agree with everyone that it’s still ridiculous that this can’t be overall cheaper, just saying that it seems in line/consistent with previous projects) ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 8:31pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/97 "2024-03-19T20:31:21Z")
About time. Chambers is ghastly. They need to do Bowery next. > [@rbrome](#): > > Didn’t they just finish “renovating” Chambers? It wasn’t a full renovation, just ADA accessibility upgrades and honestly, they should have done a full renovation when they did the ADA upgrades. It’d probably be cheaper too. ---
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2024, 7:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/98 "2024-03-20T19:05:21Z")
> [@ALC11](#): > > honestly, they should have done a full renovation when they did the ADA upgrades. It’d probably be cheaper too. Yep. Exactly my point. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/99 "2024-03-26T19:10:35Z")
Are these barriers a waste of money and a distraction from things that will actually help? Look at this sequence of events: > **[Subway barriers installed at Bryant Park station](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/subway-barriers-installed-at-bryant-park-station/amp/)** > > MIDTOWN, Manhattan (PIX11) – New subway platform barriers were installed at Manhattan’s 42nd Street-Bryant Park station as the safety feature rolls out across the city.  The yellow barriers now lin… > **[Person struck by a train at the Bryant Park subway station: MTA](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/manhattan/a-person-was-struck-by-a-subway-train-at-the-bryant-park-no-7-train-station-mta/amp/)** > > MANHATTAN, N.Y. (PIX11) — A person was struck and killed by a train in a Manhattan subway station Tuesday morning, causing delays on the No. 7 line, officials said. The incident happened at t… ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 4:46pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/100 "2024-04-08T16:46:00Z")
> **[Two Queens subway stations get deep clean, repairs](https://pix11.com/news/local-news/two-queens-subway-stations-get-deep-clean-repairs/amp/)** > > QUEENS, N.Y. (PIX11) – Two Queens subway stations got a deep clean and renovations, including new LED lights and revamped benches.  Jamaica’s Sutphin Boulevard–Archer Avenue–JFK Airport E, J a… Grimy 70s era stations get a “deep clean”. [[Album] MTA Completes Re-NEW-vation Project at Sutphin Boulevard - Archer Av - JFK E J Z... ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/9/19a42f68ed5849f28e84789ce92286f0a6f5031e.jpeg "MTA Completes Re-NEW-vation Project at Sutphin Boulevard - Archer Av - JFK E J Z...") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/albums/72177720315944852/) [[Album] MTA Completes Re-NEW-vation at Jamaica - Van Wyck Station ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/6/86bbc3deb416dac21929c66cb04543fcb9074334.jpeg "MTA Completes Re-NEW-vation at Jamaica - Van Wyck Station") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/albums/72177720315981787/) ---
**Author:** ![AntonioL](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/antoniol/32/139225_2.png) [@AntonioL](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/AntonioL)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/101 "2024-04-08T18:09:25Z")
The 7 train platform at Grand Central needs a lot of similar TLC. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673.md?page=6)