# NYC Underground **URL:** \ **Category:** New York\ **Created:** [November 5, 2021, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673 "2021-11-05T22:09:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 9:31pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/202 "2025-04-30T21:31:08Z")
The fact that this person is doing this in flip flops only lends credence to the idea that he’s not long for this world. I just wish it wasn’t at the expense of delayed trains when we have to clean their bodies from the undercarriage. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2025, 10:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/203 "2025-04-30T22:48:59Z")
> [@Waymond\_Womano](#): > > Speaking of Montreal, did you know that the Montreal metro runs on rubber tires instead of steel wheels like the NYC subway? The Paris Metro is another system that comes to mind with running rubber-tire-equipped trains. I think there are a few others as well, it’s not extremely rare. ---
**Author:** ![chused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@chused](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chused)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/204 "2025-05-01T12:04:08Z")
Using subways with tires is a quiet pleasure. You only hear the whir of the main tires on cement “rails” below and of tires running horizontally rather than vertically along steel guides on each side of the “tracks” to prevent “derailments.” They glide along smooth as silk. Unfortunately retrofitting the subway system would be unimaginably expensive—all new cars and all rebuilt track system. It is interesting though, that Paris has gradually done just just over the years. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 1:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/205 "2025-05-01T13:50:25Z")
And this is why NYC is expensive. We spend countless $ to try and stop people from behaving like idiots. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2025, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/206 "2025-05-01T15:12:44Z")
The Montreal metro is also completely underground. I think even the yards are fully underground. It’s probably impossible to subway surf the metro over there without ending up like Dennis Hopper at the end of “Speed.” ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2025, 1:53pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/207 "2025-05-02T13:53:29Z")
Makes sense with the cold and snow. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/208 "2025-05-06T12:33:24Z")
> **[MTA unveils new elevators at Third Ave-East 149th Street – Bronx Times](https://www.bxtimes.com/mta-unveils-new-elevators-at-third-ave-east-149th-street/)** > > After a 17-month outage, two MTA elevators at Third Avenue-149th Street, servicing the 2 and 5 trains, are now back in service, the MTA announced May 1.  ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2025, 1:52pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/209 "2025-05-06T13:52:49Z")
A public restroom. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 5:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/210 "2025-06-06T17:42:55Z")
> **[MTA To Finally Untangle Notorious Brooklyn Subway Pinch Point - Streetsblog...](https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/06/03/mta-to-finally-untangle-notorious-brooklyn-subway-pinch-point)** > > The MTA will unclog a notoriously slow-rolling segment of the subway in Central Brooklyn to speed up service, new documents revealed. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/b/3bf66511c16df7fa6f0735cbb5b8c437fb152df9.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 10:26pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/211 "2025-06-06T22:26:01Z")
The new “8” train is the biggest news here. What’s funny is that there _was_ an 8 train in the past (the demolished 3rd Ave Elevated) and the R62/R62A series cars already have an “8” option on their rollsigns although the 8 is green… ---
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 11:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/212 "2025-06-06T23:07:29Z")
Surprised they didn’t just resurrect the 9. I thought they would stick to their “extra” bullets and their designated colors. Like you mentioned, there is a green 8 and 12 as well as and the purple 11. If they didn’t want to confuse riders with the 9 coming back from the dead there is also a red 13 train. That could be perceived as unlucky though. Perhaps I’m foaming too much here. I digress. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 11:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/213 "2025-06-06T23:11:46Z")
The 9 was essentially a modified 1 train that had skip-stop service. It would potentially confuse riders (especially those who used the 9 was a thing) and there _are_ a few signs that still have it in place that weren’t replaced when it was discontinued. I _do_ think that the addition of this service will be potentially confusing to some and now the MTA has to print an entirely new set of maps even though they’re already replacing them on the trains with the new Vignelli-inspired design. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 4:22am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/214 "2025-06-29T04:22:24Z")
The MTA is making a major mistake in selecting Alstom for building the future M9A trainsets. Some critics are criticizing the fact they’re still using outdated designs and that is something I can agree on. Modern EMU designs are lighter and offer better acceleration and aesthetics as well. > **[LIRR's new $2.3B train car deal would retire 40-year-old 'rust buckets'](https://www.newsday.com/long-island/transportation/lirr-m9a-train-cars-suejw4wg)** > > New amenities include glass windows less prone to solar damage, push-button doors on bathrooms and, potentially, USB ports at every row. ([Paywall Bypass](https://archive.ph/Mexmo)) > **[MTA approves $2.3B to buy 316 LIRR and Metro-North railcars](https://www.nydailynews.com/2025/06/23/mta-approves-2-3b-to-buy-316-lirr-and-metro-north-rail-cars/)** > > The cars, designated as the M9A, are expected to enter service in 2030, with 160 trains going to the LIRR and 156 to Metro-North by 2032. > **[LIRR's new M9A trains will have better bathrooms](https://www.newsday.com/long-island/transportation/lirr-bathroom-upgrades-etn68e6w)** > > Urinals should help address the challenges of maintaining your aim on a moving train, says one longtime rider. ([Paywall Bypass](https://archive.ph/nXULK)) > **[MTA set to pay nearly $3 billion for old, overweight LIRR, Metro-North cars](https://nypost.com/2023/01/17/mta-opting-for-overweight-trains-that-will-cost-millions-more-analysis/)** > > The MTA is preparing to spend nearly $3 billion to buy hundreds of overweight and overpriced train cars that will saddle riders with longer commutes and the cash-strapped agency with higher costs f… The Multilevel III and Acela II delays should be a major red flag for why they need to ban Alstom as they did with Bombardier, the company Alstom took over. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 1:26pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/215 "2025-06-29T13:26:36Z")
Kickback? ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2025, 3:52pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/216 "2025-06-29T15:52:16Z")
People need to chill out. It’s not like anyone alive today will ride these trains. Let the commuters of the 22nd century deal with this Alstom nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 1, 2025, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/217 "2025-07-01T19:41:56Z")
> [@stache](#): > > A public restroom. more updates: [https://www.mta.info/press-release/photos-mta-announces-opening-of-two-modernized-elevators-66-st-lincoln-center-subway](https://www.mta.info/press-release/photos-mta-announces-opening-of-two-modernized-elevators-66-st-lincoln-center-subway) [https://www.mta.info/press-release/photos-mta-announces-opening-of-three-modernized-elevators-euclid-av-subway-station](https://www.mta.info/press-release/photos-mta-announces-opening-of-three-modernized-elevators-euclid-av-subway-station) ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 4:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/218 "2025-07-16T16:10:59Z")
Perhaps we may see more modern train designs and the usage of plug doors which allow bigger doors without having to have portholes like the R211. > **[Ahead of Planned $7.6B Subway Car Buy, MTA Looks Abroad for Lessons on...](https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/07/15/new-subway-cars-mta/)** > > With some of the heaviest subway cars on the planet, transit agency explores weight-loss options for its next-generation fleet. ---
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/219 "2025-07-16T17:00:17Z")
It’s about time. NYC “exceptionalism” can be a plague. Now do this for turnstiles… ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2025, 5:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/220 "2025-07-16T17:15:41Z")
> [@rbrome](#): > > Now do this for turnstiles… The MTA is [already working on that](https://gothamist.com/news/mta-to-begin-replacing-nycs-subway-turnstiles-with-modern-fare-gates). The designs seem similar to ones being employed in both [Los Angeles](https://la.streetsblog.org/2025/04/11/eyes-on-the-station-fortified-fare-gates-now-arriving-at-metro-stops) and [San Francisco](https://www.bart.gov/about/projects/fare-gate). Perhaps they should take notes and get lighter, more modern cars for the M9A order to use on the LIRR and Metro North. Alstom already makes modern MU designs that the MTA can likely adapt. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673/221 "2025-07-21T17:58:42Z")
For some reason no protective barriers have been installed in the Bronx. [Governor Hochul Announces Metropolitan Transportation Authority Has Installed Protective Platform Barriers at Over 50 Subway Stations | Governor Kathy Hochul](https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-announces-metropolitan-transportation-authority-has-installed-protective) [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nyc-underground/20673.md?page=12)