# NIMBY organizations to pigeonhole: **URL:** \ **Category:** NIMBY Watch\ **Created:** [August 19, 2021, 12:55am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096 "2021-08-19T00:55:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2022, 10:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/21 "2022-03-27T22:30:44Z")
This is complete bullshit! More supply of badly needed housing in New York City is by a broad consensus a good thing, and these folks refuse to sacrifice their short-term property values, or even see the benefit of the potential changes to their neighborhoods. For current residents, Get out ahead of it, and buy up air rights. Even a few thousand square feet. Set conditions to developers that they build using certain materials and architectural styles, you get the square footage of your current unit, plus the air rights you buy up once construction has concluded. Then they sell your initial square footage back to you at a super low amount, say $1 dollar, and split the rest of the money 50/50 from the construction and sale/rent of the new square footage. Sure, the stress of setting up the distribution company will be a pain, but you get a brand new unit, a decent payday, perhaps recurring revenue, and the developer does as well. Talk about strengthening home rule, then do it! Let the city set its own rules without some state-level administrator coming in and tying up a desperately-required development because they got a few phone calls from skittish and mercurial donors who panic at the first sign of real change. > **['A major victory': Legislature nixes Hochul's hope to scrap building size cap...](https://thevillagesun.com/a-major-victory-legislature-nixes-hochuls-hope-to-scrap-building-size-cap)** > > BY THE VILLAGE SUN | Developers’ and YIMBYs’ sky-high hopes for unlimited F.A.R. were dealt a blow after the Assembly and state Senate rejected the… ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/22 "2022-03-27T22:42:11Z")
And ofc the usual incompetence from “village preservation”. This could still go through possibly, we’ll see ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 5:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/23 "2022-03-28T17:29:45Z")
I said this once and I’ll say it again, buildings and skyscrapers do not hurt people! If they don’t like it then it would be best if they move to another city. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 5:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/24 "2022-03-28T17:47:24Z")
Thank you! How many times have we been told how “Highways are racist” and “skyscrapers are a symptom of toxic masculinity” among other horseshit ideas? Oh, that’s right, these folks are literally creatively bankrupt and they don’t have any other ideas to speak of. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 5:57pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/25 "2022-03-28T17:57:36Z")
You know, it’s very funny how hypocritical of them to say those things, yet they are the ones who work in them or go on roads/highways to go places. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/26 "2022-03-28T18:00:42Z")
Yep! Just biting the hand that feeds them! Drives me up a wall! ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/27 "2022-03-28T18:43:24Z")
I have never once heard “Highways are racist”. I’ve heard that the current existence of some highways was do to racism, which they are because it was the 60s, but never that they were inherently racist. And the second one sounds like something you made up. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/28 "2022-03-28T18:45:21Z")
Here’s one of the many vomitous articles on this. > **['Upward-thrusting buildings ejaculating into the sky' – do cities have to be...](https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2020/jul/06/upward-thrusting-buildings-ejaculating-cities-sexist-leslie-kern-phallic-feminist-city-toxic-masculinity)** > > Toxic masculinity is built into the fabric of our urban spaces, writes Leslie Kern, author of new book Feminist City. And the results aren’t just divisive – they can be lethal ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/29 "2022-03-28T18:48:51Z")
Well, that’s insane ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 7:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/31 "2022-03-28T19:29:50Z")
I have read ‘the power broker’ which covers that issue of Robert Moses west side highway (among other roadways) being racist. It had something to do with plowing through mostly low income (ie. Black) urban neighborhoods. It’s is true, there is a claim that highways are racist, and an interesting perspective to consider on the merits of the claim. I say let us give everyone a fair hearing… 🙂 > **[The lingering effects of NYC's racist city planning](http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/now/politics/216905-the-lingering-effects-of-nyc-racist-city-planning)** > > While changing hearts and minds is essential for the end of racism, the infrastructure of cities will also have to be altered in order to have meaningful progress. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/32 "2022-03-28T19:34:06Z")
Yes obviously the people planning these highways were racist at the time and they plowed through those neighborhoods because they were racist and didn’t want them to be there. My point was that the infrastructure itself is not racist, just because it was built as a result of racist actions. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/33 "2024-05-01T19:58:51Z")
Here’s another group of losers to pigeonhole. They are from Brooklyn’s South Slope. > **[Housing Not Highrises](https://housingnothighrises.org/)** > > Stand for More Housing and Stop Aggressive Re-Zoning in our Neighborhood That said, I am not sure what it means to actually pigeonhole someone. I suppose it refers to throwing someone (figuratively or metaphorically if not literally) into a pigeon-shaped hole. Although such a hole is not known to exist, there is a rat-shaped hole in Chicago, so maybe that’s a good place to start. > **[Chicago rat hole](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_rat_hole)** > > The Chicago rat hole was a hole shaped like a rat formerly in the sidewalk of West Roscoe Street in the Roscoe Village neighborhood of Chicago, Illinois, United States. After existing for decades, it became a viral phenomenon on social media (mainly Twitter) in January 2024, attracting tourists to the site. City officials removed the sidewalk slab containing the hole from the street on April 24, 2024, but the hole remains intact. > An apparent example of accidental lifecasting, the hole was des... ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/34 "2024-05-01T23:32:04Z")
> [@Waymond\_Womano](#): > > That said, I am not sure what it means to actually pigeonhole someone. I found a definition and to “pigeonhole” someone is to “decide that they belong to a particular class or category” much like how a pigeonhole can also refer to a letterbox where letters and messages can be left for another person. So in the case of this thread, it is simply serving as a repository of common NIMBY organizations since they are being categorized for reference in a single thread. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2024, 11:45pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/35 "2024-05-01T23:45:32Z")
That has to be the most attenuated etymology I have ever encountered. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 12:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/36 "2025-03-25T12:59:31Z")
Should they be “pigeonholed”? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/b/5b78dd5efd93080897cc151b734d0b9917f37399.jpeg) > **[As The Latest Tower Nears Approval, Neighbors Will Rally To Fight](https://patch.com/new-york/newrochelle/latest-tower-nears-approval-neighbors-will-gather-fight)** > > As New Rochelle again looks to change its skyline, many city residents and small business owners fear they have been all but forgotten. ---
**Author:** ![Dior](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/dior/32/164097_2.png) [@Dior](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Dior)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/37 "2025-03-25T13:35:44Z")
you can have both, no? make the high rises come with public plazas and commercial storefronts ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/38 "2025-03-25T18:48:15Z")
Definitely pigeonhole them. You can have high rise development and still incorporate playgrounds and green space. Business opportunities can also be created by making the development mixed-use. That is definitely a NIMBY group. They plan to protest new development. ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/39 "2025-03-25T20:07:33Z")
**Add the AIA (American Institute of Architects) to the list - maybe. 😉** Oddly enough’ we may need to add the AIA to the list. The irony is that the AIA is apparently “destroying” or “hampering” progress in our built environment because of its “anti-capitalist” stance regarding contemporary architectural innovation. My assertion that the AIA needs to be pigeon holed as a ‘Nimby culprit’ is an interesting philosophical question that is a least worthy of serious consideration and/or discussion. _The author is not someone I had heard of prior to finding this article; I do know only that he is a principal partner of the firm founded by Architect Zaha Hadid._ > **[THESIS on the auto-destruction of architecture](https://patrikschumacher.substack.com/p/thesis-on-the-auto-destruction-of)** > > The End of Architecture ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 8:49pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/40 "2025-03-25T20:49:05Z")
“Strong business incentives to fill all the empty storefronts”. I wonder how many of these New Ro people purchase on amazon and other online shops. I bet 100% of them. So many storefronts are now dinosaurs and I do not see anything on the horizon changing that, especially with more brick and mortar establishments closing throughout the country. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 1:33pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096/41 "2025-03-26T13:33:53Z")
What I find odd is the number of new buildings that incorporate retail on the ground floor, like they’re still expecting it to get rented. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/nimby-organizations-to-pigeonhole/20096.md?page=3)