# NEW YORK | Where Would You Build A New Skyscraper? **URL:** \ **Category:** New York\ **Created:** [May 7, 2020, 10:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859 "2020-05-07T22:42:09Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/123 "2022-12-17T20:23:14Z")
really not even worth a comment ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/124 "2022-12-17T20:47:43Z")
Rather blasphemy than boredom. ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2022, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/125 "2022-12-17T21:01:48Z")
But what’s boring about the current conditions? More people (a great deal of people use Bryant Park) currently use Bryant Park as it is than if it was a Plaza where they can’t lounge about on what would be hardscape. ---
**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/126 "2022-12-18T00:26:26Z")
Let’s not bring bad ideas back from the dead, please. ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 12:56am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/127 "2022-12-18T00:56:15Z")
Yeah, but sometimes I like a bad idea now and then. Helps to keep stock. ---
**Author:** ![ThreeWentDown](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/threewentdown/32/78060_2.png) [@ThreeWentDown](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ThreeWentDown)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2022, 2:01am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/128 "2022-12-18T02:01:45Z")
> [@Shane\_Keena](#): > > Give me a miesian redesign of the 42nd street library While we’re at it, let’s knock down the boring old Statue of Liberty and replace it with something inspired by this Modernist icon from my home town: ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/b/ab2bab7e186da25405bdbae2cc8347a8371ad525.jpeg) [Wikimedia Commons source](https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Blues_point_tower.JPG) ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/130 "2022-12-29T14:21:56Z")
> **[NEW YORK | Buildings You Think Should Be Replaced - SkyscraperPage Forum](https://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9826080#post9826080)** > > NEW YORK | Buildings You Think Should Be Replaced Buildings & Architecture ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/131 "2022-12-29T19:55:34Z")
What is possible if I take air rights from the 871 7th Ave. property on this 870 7th Ave. property? ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/c/dcfbbfbbd4fef90c3687ec712791501cd1d40013.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/e/5e5734c506d1a6e6b7f8981e4a81651ebc029d2c.jpeg) Who it possible to build such a similarly high Supertall? [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/0/f0868e5019d770807efcb6ec18743ad4d488c796.jpeg) ](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/0/f0868e5019d770807efcb6ec18743ad4d488c796.jpeg) [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/a/7a240a9cc709a37c95c1b444edb01c8849793026.jpeg) ](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/a/7a240a9cc709a37c95c1b444edb01c8849793026.jpeg) [https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/rizhao-center/39419](https://www.skyscrapercenter.com/building/rizhao-center/39419) While we’re on the subject, I’m converting half of this property into a plaza/park. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/5/b51106067f68be43fdcc0855a3a4fa438ca8c25e.jpeg) What do you think of my suggestion, or you @lowkeylion ? ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 8:55pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/132 "2022-12-29T20:55:05Z")
This is a good site. ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/133 "2022-12-29T21:10:25Z")
> [@Mackensen](#): > > What is possible if I take air rights from the 871 7th Ave. property on this 870 7th Ave. property? You’d get a building with about 650K sqft of buildable area, which appears much smaller than the linked supertall, so I’d say with high probability no, one could not be built that tall (1600’) with that amount of building/allowable area, even without the proposals strange antenna/spire top. But it’s also difficult to compare with a proposed building that has no other information but height. Height cannot be compared to area. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/134 "2022-12-29T21:31:06Z")
What exactly does the figure of 650,000 square meters mean? I can’t do much with it. The building was just one example I found. ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/135 "2022-12-29T22:07:39Z")
> **[Floor Area Ratio: NYC vs LD — KPF Urban Interface](https://ui.kpf.com/blog/2016/2/1/floor-area-ratio-nyc-vs-ld)** > > Floor Area Ratio, the ratio of the total building floor area to the lot area, is a common measurement system used to regulated the density of buildings. Most cities use floor area ratio (FAR) as part of their zoning regulations. Both New York City... ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [December 29, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/136 "2022-12-29T22:24:18Z")
That is about 60,500 sqm, but that is also why area can’t be compared against height, because the two do not correlate. Air rights give way to make buildings larger in terms of floor area but not always taller. Air rights is the unused developable area of an existing building, and not necessarily air space. The overall question of how tall can a building be (anywhere) in NYC based on sqft-age is a bad one in general because that is not predictable but for those areas with height restrictions. Floor area just tells us how big/large a building can be, not how tall. FAR is only one part of the puzzle that tells us how large a building can be but it never tells us how tall it can be, that’s where other zoning protocols come into place (sky exposure plane, building max envelope, etc) I could have a 100,000 sqft lot with a developable area of 100,000sqft (1 FAR) the building could be 1 story/10’ tall or 100 stories/1000’ ft tall with that same 100,000 sqft, it’s simply not easy to answer the question of how tall a building can be when only given developable area and nothing else and nobody should ever speculate that a building can be tall just because it has +/- developable floor area or simply because a new development is possible. ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/137 "2022-12-30T15:29:33Z")
I don’t want to push a thread: > [@NEW YORK | 570 Fifth Avenue | ? FT | ? FLOORS](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-570-fifth-avenue-1101-ft-78-floors/499/374): > > The Qataris are obviously flush with cash and will want to make a statement, much like Al Smith back in 1931. 790 7th Avenue is a relatively small block because of its Times Square location. A tower of 900,000 square feet could theoretically be VERY tall. Perhaps a world’s tallest. 432 Park Avenue is 412,000 square feet. where is it possible to build a megatall? (FAR) and at most probable? 790 7th Ave? ---
**Author:** ![lowkeylion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lowkeylion/32/1239_2.png) [@lowkeylion](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lowkeylion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/138 "2022-12-30T15:34:46Z")
I think it’s very possible. 790 7th, yes. ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/139 "2022-12-30T15:41:04Z")
Do you know any other locations? Park Ave.? ---
**Author:** ![lowkeylion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lowkeylion/32/1239_2.png) [@lowkeylion](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lowkeylion)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 3:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/140 "2022-12-30T15:47:41Z")
Very tall buildings will be built at the Park Lane and Hotel Roosevelt sites. ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 4:49pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/141 "2022-12-30T16:49:01Z")
Theoretically a megatall would fit perfectly at the MSG site, with a height of at least 700 meters 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 4:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/142 "2022-12-30T16:51:25Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/d/cd3f63a456ee4a15d4686b02a9484643815d96cb.jpeg) ](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/d/cd3f63a456ee4a15d4686b02a9484643815d96cb.jpeg) Or: [NEW YORK | 52-66 West 57th Street | FT | FLOORS - #4 by 007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-52-66-west-57th-street-ft-floors/21125/4) ---
**Author:** ![NewYorkCity76](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/newyorkcity76/32/190647_2.png) [@NewYorkCity76](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/NewYorkCity76)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2022, 5:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859/143 "2022-12-30T17:00:51Z")
The shorter placeholder next to 111 West 57th Street seems to be between 1470-1500ft, while the taller placeholder seems to be between 1690-1800ft, although it could be taller 🙂 [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-where-would-you-build-a-new-skyscraper/16859.md?page=8)