# NEW YORK | The Torch (740 8th Ave) | 1029 FT | 52 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Under Construction\ **Created:** [June 14, 2014, 1:46pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235 "2014-06-14T13:46:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2020, 3:58pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/41 "2020-06-23T15:58:11Z")
I really don’t expect much here. I think that a hotel with rental apartments above it is the most to hope for, and I’d be surprised if it were taller than 800 feet. It would be nice to have a supermarket at the base. ---
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/42 "2021-05-28T22:10:37Z")
1,120 feet tall, with observation deck. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/d/ad6259c90a5bd9d582772c67a7123d01ea208761.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/2/32f68612e4950728e0163119224f2ef31464788c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![lowkeylion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lowkeylion/32/1239_2.png) [@lowkeylion](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lowkeylion)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/43 "2021-05-28T22:17:48Z")
My lord!!! ---
**Author:** ![lowkeylion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lowkeylion/32/1239_2.png) [@lowkeylion](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lowkeylion)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:18pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/44 "2021-05-28T22:18:08Z")
The age of Ramses marches apace!! ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/45 "2021-05-28T22:19:29Z")
How could it be 1120 feet but only 40 stories? ---
**Author:** ![lowkeylion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lowkeylion/32/1239_2.png) [@lowkeylion](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lowkeylion)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/46 "2021-05-28T22:25:31Z")
600,000 sq feet of office. Small floor plates with high ceilings ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/47 "2021-05-28T22:28:14Z")
Really high ceilings. That averages out to almost 30 feet per floor. ---
**Author:** ![BK1985](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BK1985](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/BK1985)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/48 "2021-05-28T22:32:49Z")
Observation floors+ mechanical floors+ lobby floors (also if it is indeed mixed use there maybe a sky lobby separating the programming) ---
**Author:** ![Springboss123\_456](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/springboss123_456/32/182744_2.png) [@Springboss123\_456](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Springboss123_456)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:36pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/49 "2021-05-28T22:36:52Z")
I like this project and all but I’m not much of a fan of the design. Any chance of a re-design? ---
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/50 "2021-05-28T22:38:36Z")
No design has been released yet. That cigar-like tower was just a concept by an architect unrelated to this development. Edit: this is what I’m referring to. > **[Conceptual Supertall Design Revealed For 265 West 45th Street, Midtown West -...](https://newyorkyimby.com/2018/03/conceptual-supertall-design-revealed-for-265-west-45th-street-midtown-west.html)** > > The experimental minds of RB Systems have published their new, conceptual design for 265 West 45th Street, a small plot of vacant land in Midtown West... ---
**Author:** ![Skyalign](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skyalign/32/128133_2.png) [@Skyalign](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skyalign)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2021, 10:54pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/51 "2021-05-28T22:54:33Z")
🤯🤯🤯🤯 bruh ---
**Author:** ![Springboss123\_456](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/springboss123_456/32/182744_2.png) [@Springboss123\_456](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Springboss123_456)\ **Post date:** [May 31, 2021, 1:31am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/52 "2021-05-31T01:31:21Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/6/d68e52ce5d6313daab99cbbe46aa592e1d86d2da.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/e/8e7d504a15aa6b5da60d3c050732724eb7a6575e.jpeg) ^tower design made by me ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/a/2a3913cdd3512f3496f4eb8c1328598de1a8b6d1.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/4/44ee75fc0bf2746b32d9b59db81cdc3df3608c71.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/4/147b126f8becd3220ecb067765d64d4e2c1d0418.jpeg) ^views from observation deck ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/a/eaa9dad4f84690f699d5fdefdd70f16031f69c6e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/e/8e36af6a149aae4a4b0cf1dff074df2694bbb5bc.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/4/64070a364b55a660fdfd6384af26a66002e1cfb9.jpeg) ^sketches and mock-ups ---
**Author:** ![AHC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4bbf92/32.png) [@AHC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/AHC)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 8:05pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/53 "2021-08-17T20:05:46Z")
> **[$82M Deal Extends Extell’s Times Square Assemblage; Holdouts Remain](https://therealdeal.com/2021/08/17/extells-times-square-megaproject-inches-forward-after-82m-deal/)** > > Gary Barnett’s Extell Development has pieced together a 38,000-square-foot site on 8th Avenue between West 45th and West 46th streets. ---
**Author:** ![Oppix56](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/oppix56/32/26099_2.png) [@Oppix56](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Oppix56)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2021, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/54 "2021-08-17T22:10:41Z")
Those tacky holdouts on 8th ave will class the place up! I always wonder why they don’t build new theaters for Broadway, I mean I know they’re protective of their interests and all, but sooner or later big theater sized sites like this one wont exist! ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2021, 12:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/55 "2021-08-27T12:50:12Z")
“Mr. [Barnett]: Tear down this [crap]!” ![Screenshot (11)](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/6/76c2027d9ca97dfb6c5a861c6a94364bf3b8adbf.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 18, 2021, 12:45am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/57 "2021-10-18T00:45:17Z")
Who wouldn’t want highly-advanced interiors such as this? ![3463046A-EBF4-42C5-9F6A-927F9083BF33](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/2/d2ecf57b9dc4d0a1ec1433b814da59fc1cd6d238.jpeg) Or this? ![7CE383C2-512B-4975-906F-495203409095_1_105_c](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/b/dbdee6a45c778e710fddb5c257dca69a3d8aac8a.jpeg) Or this? ![6EA8820A-3505-49F0-A3A2-E78937000ED2_1_105_c](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/2/5/254702e1994a48538afca9daa6976252822554ea.jpeg) Or this? ![9A4848C5-7567-4253-9A03-4E1E1D8C59FD_1_105_c](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/3/63e7b94d4e4af23d821ae420dcdb2750e41496cd.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/58 "2021-10-23T00:32:12Z")
Oh jeez…I knew this would look weird based on what we knew about the floor count and height, but I wasn’t expecting this. From SSP. Apparently these diagrams are from before Extell acquired the rest of the properties on the block and bumped the height, so this will end up looking a bit different from what’s shown here. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/5/a595f00112ad2ebde4028e29c6cfa3a2af9484e6.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/f/4fe81119380e497a9e121f5c03be97ea08632afd.jpeg) NYC’s version of London’s Tulip? I sure hope it looks better than that, but I’m not optimistic based on those diagrams. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/3/43bc36839433da56ab09df506707f7404688a982.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/59 "2021-10-23T03:19:38Z")
(Update from Previous Deleted Post) This is where midtown can really push westward with a one-two punch. I would start by basically building this tower as your typical, tried and true NYC fare, your architectural baseline/bread&butter. ![23f2913cb332598da96c6923225f7ed98dd8f7a21004060-1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/0/d06b74701787f7236c4a9a634f07480c1b4f167b.jpeg) ![542380AE-6F66-4934-922D-28CDD1CC8F36](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/1/91058465962126598255436f15f444c3ba998ccd.jpeg) I would follow that up by coming in with that super highly-experimental, bleeding-edge tower that would knock your socks off! ![1A899F53-0FF3-47ED-A69B-20B1C31E6A7D](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/d/dd9a8d06607acfb60f6f0a0a4acf2bf8bfa7d4fb.jpeg) ![955B9845-697B-4459-A2A5-A44940379A3F_1_105_c](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/8/58273286e0456ac157a6f176eba4a1f9c6cdc87d.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![pullinbuddy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/pullinbuddy/32/78307_2.png) [@pullinbuddy](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/pullinbuddy)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2021, 11:22am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/60 "2021-10-23T11:22:02Z")
This building is really beautiful. Sexy. ---
**Author:** ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2021, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235/61 "2021-10-24T16:27:35Z")
The old design, the new observation deck, and what a 2,000 foot observation tower would look like. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/f/bf10462875ba4861072f6c47e6f2dc1adde91b48.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/6/a670ca4d702ca89c713669f4c9121bb520c5d03e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/d/edbfdc233ab3fefce059865e348aa1dbee5ed284.jpeg) [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-the-torch-740-8th-ave-1029-ft-52-floors/235.md?page=4)