# NEW YORK | Second Avenue Subway **URL:** \ **Category:** Parks & Infrastructure\ **Created:** [July 27, 2014, 9:06pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554 "2014-07-27T21:06:33Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/225 "2024-08-29T22:54:41Z")
Kind of a misleading headline. They only talked to a few naysayers. > **[East Harlem wants the 2nd Avenue subway, but opposes congestion pricing tolls...](https://gothamist.com/news/east-harlem-wants-second-avenue-subway-but-opposes-congestion-pricing-tolls-to-fund-it)** > > East Harlemites have heard promises of a Second Avenue subway for more than a century. The governor's pause on congestion pricing — a tolling program many neighborhood residents oppose — has dashed their dream yet again. ---
**Author:** ![TowerDude](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/towerdude/32/4284_2.png) [@TowerDude](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TowerDude)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 4:08am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/226 "2024-09-02T04:08:02Z")
Seems to be the regrettable trend of metro Journalism, either you run a bespoke outlet that is honest about life in this damn city and makes little to no money (Hellsgate/streetsblog) or you are a corporate entity that consistently reports on the minority opinion/wrong problem ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 8:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/227 "2024-09-06T20:47:45Z")
Streetsblog is indeed a good antidote to the automobile-oriented mass media, but they do overcorrect at times. Sometimes they make mountains out of molehills, for example in this article about the Chicago Tribune that is full of speculation and insinuation: > **[Are Tribune's calls to move Greyhound terminal due to the paper's ties to the...](https://chi.streetsblog.org/2024/08/29/is-the-tribune-calling-for-closing-greyhound-terminal-due-to-papers-corporate-ties-to-station-owner-who-would-profit-from-selling-the-land)** > > Tribune editorial page editors say no. But a spokesperson for Amtrak, which opposes forcing bus rider to use Union Station, wondered why it took a while to publish his rebuttal letter. Meanwhile, with respect to the Second Avenue Subway, the litigation is picking up pace: > **[Legal Wrangling Continues Over Second Avenue Subway: Report](https://patch.com/new-york/harlem/legal-wrangling-continues-over-second-avenue-subway-report)** > > The MTA is suing a third East Harlem landlord, who the agency claims is delaying progress on the Second Avenue Subway. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2024, 10:35am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/228 "2024-09-27T10:35:52Z")
> **[Future of Second Avenue Subway expansion in limbo as money fails to...](https://www.amny.com/transit/future-of-second-avenue-subway-expansion-in-limbo-as-money-fails-to-materialize-following-congestion-pricing-pause/)** > > The future expansion of the Second Avenue Subway remains uncertain following the MTA Board's approval Wednesday of its proposed $68 billion capital plan — ---
**Author:** ![ANGUS\_LI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@ANGUS\_LI](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ANGUS_LI)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2024, 10:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/229 "2024-09-28T22:17:21Z")
These buildings are gonna get destroyed for the 106th Street Station and Ancillary Building in that area according to the video: [https://youtu.be/h6-MVzb58E4](https://youtu.be/h6-MVzb58E4) ![Building needed to be Demolished because of SAS.PNG](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/c/ec7497d64361cd7134599a0c5594620b30dc4a70.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 7:41pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/230 "2024-10-03T19:41:04Z")
Now these are fine examples of a bygone architectural style known as “taxpayer” - and I think they should be saved. Can the facades be preserved like with the Brooklyn Heights townhouse? Or is that something that’s only done with subways that run through rich neighborhoods? > **[Brooklyn Townhouse Secret Subway Exit](https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/brooklyn-townhouse-secret-subway-exit)** > > This innocent-looking townhome is actually a subway exit. ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [October 3, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/231 "2024-10-03T21:11:16Z")
Come on Waymond, you know it’s all about the Benjamins 😉 😉 ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/232 "2024-10-04T14:35:39Z")
Looks like the one on the corner is a taxpayer. The others look like they were built as individual family homes. ---
**Author:** ![ANGUS\_LI](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/71c47a/32.png) [@ANGUS\_LI](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ANGUS_LI)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 1:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/233 "2024-10-27T13:34:10Z")
These Buildings too according to wikipedia pages by chapter as of July 2018. > **[106th Street station (Second Avenue Subway)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/106th_Street_station_(Second_Avenue_Subway)#Current_plans)** > > 106th Street is a planned station along the IND Second Avenue Line of the New York City Subway. It would be located at the intersection of Second Avenue and 106th Street in East Harlem, Manhattan, United States. Proposed since 1968, the station is expected to be built as part of Phase 2 of the Second Avenue Subway. When opened, it will initially be served by the Q train, with the T train providing service when Phase 3 of the line is built. > The Second Avenue Line was originally proposed in 19... and > **[116th Street station (Second Avenue Subway)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/116th_Street_station_(Second_Avenue_Subway)#Current_plans)** > > 116th Street is a planned station along the IND Second Avenue Line of the New York City Subway. It would be located at the intersection of Second Avenue and 116th Street in East Harlem, Manhattan. Proposed since 1968, the station is expected to be built as part of Phase 2 of the Second Avenue Subway. When opened, it will initially be served by the Q train, with the T train providing service when Phase 3 of the line is built. > The Second Avenue Line was originally proposed in 1919 as part of ... ![More Buildings 1](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/8/48c756311cb0edf2129bcf598824eee63de99a3c.png) ![More Buildings 2](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/d/4d4a158ca71b919ddd2b1dd5c9f583e77395d55c.png) ![More Buildings 3.PNG](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/a/6a6135b956d24064731113d94b92656460c779d6.jpeg) All images via Google Maps. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 10:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/234 "2024-10-28T22:09:26Z")
The Macedonian church facade in the last photo looks like it should be saved as a historic monument. Maybe the government of the Former Yugoslav Republic of North Macedonia can put up the funds to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2025, 5:06pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/235 "2025-01-15T17:06:03Z")
> **[Second Ave. Subway’s Next Leg Progresses With Promise of Congestion Pricing...](https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/01/13/subways-second-leg-progresses-congestion-pricing-funds/)** > > Engineering proposals on tunneling and structural shell work are due by March 5 and a contract is expected to be awarded by the third quarter of this year. ---
**Author:** ![CT\_Citizen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/ct_citizen/32/147701_2.png) [@CT\_Citizen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/CT_Citizen)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 11:47pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/236 "2025-03-27T23:47:03Z")
> **[MTA greenlights $250M for consultants to expand Second Avenue subway — at...](https://nypost.com/2025/03/26/us-news/mta-greenlights-250m-for-consultants-to-expand-second-avenue-subway-which-they-claim-will-cost-4-3b-per-mile-to-build/)** > > The MTA’s spending is like a runaway train. ---
**Author:** ![Rangerparks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ea924/32.png) [@Rangerparks](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Rangerparks)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/237 "2025-03-28T12:00:23Z")
Not gonna lie if this or the IBX doesn’t break ground by this year, I want the feds to suspend $$$ to the MTA. Are we supposed to get excited for consultants? Just f\*cking build this thing. This should have started a year or two after the first phase opened. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 12:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/238 "2025-03-28T12:20:21Z")
The MTA is working on building up their insider engineering team, which would cut out the need for consultants. It’s one of the key differences why American infrastructure costs so much more than any other country. One of the other issues is that we don’t build enough rail infrastructure to support a large industry of people who work on it. Countries like Japan and Switzerland are constantly building/maintaining so much track, it’s realistic to get an associated job in the field. This also cuts down on costs because there’s always an existing pool of trained labor that knows how to build it. ---
**Author:** ![templekev](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/templekev/32/37204_2.png) [@templekev](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/templekev)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 2:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/239 "2025-03-28T14:37:00Z")
The term consultant doesn’t sound great, but it looks like these are the contracts for the construction management and engineering teams who will actually design and build the project. It’s a good sign the project is moving forward. ---
**Author:** ![Rangerparks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ea924/32.png) [@Rangerparks](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Rangerparks)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 3:48pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/240 "2025-03-28T15:48:41Z")
So when is this actually expected to break ground? Sorry just irate at how slow things move here and everybody is just expected to be content with it. This project has been “moving forward” for years now. I wish Trump and co could actually use their powers for good and force the MTA to actually complete/start projects before they ask for more money ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 4:11pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/241 "2025-03-28T16:11:30Z")
> [@Rangerparks](#): > > I wish Trump and co could actually use their powers for good Don’t we all. Such a move could of potentially boosted their popularity in NY. But the reality is they’re too busy calling the subway a “dangerous shithole” and trying to actively starve the MTA by trying to kill congestion pricing or if MTA doesn’t do it themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2025, 4:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/242 "2025-03-28T16:35:27Z")
If wishes were horses…. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 10:22pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/243 "2025-06-06T22:22:26Z")
The MTA has a new presentation regarding the 2nd phase of the Second Ave Subway project. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/a/bacf4c86664e1b4d9e8e684a378e1b63f474c12b.jpeg "Public Meeting - Second Avenue Subway 6/3/2025") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsorEbnY6C4) Some screenshots showing station design elements on the stations: The most notable thing is 116th Street which features elevator-only entry. This I’m weary of considering the potential failure of the elevators crippling station access. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/7/57655fd1360d51706e5c22641512d000717296b9.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/f/df124926ceaa05ff2c058a95c3469615f673e5c5.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/7/b7b0b88154e470f3d151d69e86a25fd4749bfdb8.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/9/f96bc20ae495f47e8805b092dc8590c829971a1f.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/2/021cb57fa2f53bb104f002fea89d526ef8fb2ae9.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/d/cd8651bda03e3f5e89be179f312ecb02f15a49c8.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/0/50ece3869f8df48b03a955aab8e6290434890d4c.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/4/b42057427bc6894b0729326bc53cd656c51cade6.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/5/e5d29be90bdec9a7bb294963404f376f83d2a341.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/2/72264f9e0e6f8e3efe87f1f47a30771fa21c3189.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2025, 10:36pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-second-avenue-subway/554/244 "2025-06-06T22:36:42Z")
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