# NEW YORK | Penn 15 (401 7th Ave) | 1,200 FT | 61 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Visions\ **Created:** [August 5, 2014, 10:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585 "2014-08-05T22:29:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 10:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/102 "2021-02-23T22:59:30Z")
It needs a tower here, but it doesn’t necessarily need this design. The areas around Grand Central and Penn are the best places for supertalls. We’re starting to see the area around Grand Central fill up with One Vanderbilt, 270 Park, and the future towers at Grand Hyatt and the MTA site. Eventually the same will happen around Penn, but not until there are substantial improvements to Penn Station and the street level experience at Penn Plaza. No potential tenants will want to move there until then. This site, the Manhattan Mall next door, Penn Plaza East, that ugly low-rise block just to the north of this one, and the huge block to the south of MSG/2 Penn are all ripe for supertalls. I just hope they have good designs. This current incarnation is pretty dire. ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [February 23, 2021, 11:17pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/103 "2021-02-23T23:17:26Z")
Its prime land and location. It would only make sense. Midtown East/Penn District, and Midtown West are the future at least on the Island. ---
**Author:** ![Fernandojose](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/fernandojose/32/59784_2.png) [@Fernandojose](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Fernandojose)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 4:00am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/104 "2021-03-01T04:00:00Z")
Terrible desing ---
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 5:18am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/105 "2021-03-01T05:18:43Z")
I like the design. The name is a bad joke, though. ---
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 5:51am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/106 "2021-03-01T05:51:06Z")
I like the industrial/high tech details like the glass stairwells and elevator shafts and the dark steel bracing between some of the blocks. But the overall massing looks sloppy because of the jenga pieces sticking out. Something this close to the ESB should taper and have a better crown. ---
**Author:** ![Mauricio\_Ramirez09](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mauricio_ramirez09/32/136156_2.png) [@Mauricio\_Ramirez09](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mauricio_Ramirez09)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2021, 8:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/107 "2021-03-01T20:27:29Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/a/eacbcdac1bb48a73db3903d3708fddd5cbfc2a21.jpeg) I have a model where I am recreating all of Manhattan, I also upload photos to an Instagram account called: new\_york\_in\_sketchup ---
**Author:** ![Skyalign](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/skyalign/32/128133_2.png) [@Skyalign](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Skyalign)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/108 "2021-03-02T12:33:08Z")
Great work man ---
**Author:** ![Mauricio\_Ramirez09](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mauricio_ramirez09/32/136156_2.png) [@Mauricio\_Ramirez09](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mauricio_Ramirez09)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2021, 4:40pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/109 "2021-03-02T16:40:10Z")
Thanks!!! 🙌🏻 ---
**Author:** ![Mauricio\_Ramirez09](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mauricio_ramirez09/32/136156_2.png) [@Mauricio\_Ramirez09](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mauricio_Ramirez09)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 1:19am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/110 "2021-03-12T01:19:22Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/5/85446f12fdf8479e6ebba3144dd1adad27c13214.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/b/7b6b30431d3f7cb1a73a992efe6fb7b4ff616b4e.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/c/cca86694ed7cc794ff52556ceadb4168d59ec718.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2021, 11:58pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/111 "2021-03-12T23:58:56Z")
![Photo by RENDERBOX MAGAZINE on March 05, 2021. May be an image of skyscraper.](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/a/9a4d6a3f151a2be096af2e373bfa2099ad00deb8.jpeg) [https://www.instagram.com/p/CMDUH5eBUC6/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CMDUH5eBUC6/) ---
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 10:53pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/112 "2021-04-10T22:53:46Z")
We all knew this was going to happen, but here’s the official confirmation. [NYC’s Hotel Penn to Be Razed - Bloomberg](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-04-09/nyc-s-hotel-penn-to-be-razed-as-vornado-plans-stock-spinoff) ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 11:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/113 "2021-04-10T23:09:59Z")
I walked through the lobby a couple of years ago “decades past its glory and sell by date” is a gross understatement. What a sh\*t hole. It is a shame to see it go but this one is a necessity. Onward and upward!! ---
**Author:** ![Dennis\_Sandoval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/dennis_sandoval/32/79318_2.png) [@Dennis\_Sandoval](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Dennis_Sandoval)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2021, 11:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/114 "2021-04-10T23:27:43Z")
I stayed there a few years ago. The rooms advertised on their website are not what you get in real life! It was the worst hotel I ever stayed at. I could only take a few hours there before I just ate the cost and checked out and into a Marriott. ---
**Author:** ![LucasDoLivramento](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lucasdolivramento/32/28176_2.png) [@LucasDoLivramento](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/LucasDoLivramento)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/115 "2021-04-11T02:47:36Z")
I’ve seen tourists making jokes about this hotel having rats. 🐀 ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [April 11, 2021, 11:48am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/116 "2021-04-11T11:48:30Z")
The hotel, like the area generally, is filthy and dilapidated. IMO, however, this is a beautiful building that should be restored. ---
**Author:** ![JB\_Slope](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/jb_slope/32/21649_2.png) [@JB\_Slope](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/JB_Slope)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 2:06pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/117 "2021-04-13T14:06:38Z")
Not a lot of fans of Hotel Penn here (and I’m not exactly one either), but it’s going to be a shame to see that colonnade go. ---
**Author:** ![Oppix56](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/oppix56/32/26099_2.png) [@Oppix56](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Oppix56)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 2:16pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/118 "2021-04-13T14:16:32Z")
I’m a fan even though its in admittedly a much abused state. > **[The Oldest Phone Number In NYC](https://gothamist.com/arts-entertainment/the-oldest-phone-number-in-nyc)** > > And the glory days of the Hotel Pennsylvania. ---
**Author:** ![SMCYB](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/smcyb/32/71640_2.png) [@SMCYB](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/SMCYB)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2021, 2:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/119 "2021-04-13T14:20:20Z")
I had a drink with friends there once about 15 years ago. One memory, but it’s a good one. ---
**Author:** ![Matthew\_Vansickle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/matthew_vansickle/32/182452_2.png) [@Matthew\_Vansickle](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Matthew_Vansickle)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 7:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/120 "2021-04-14T19:51:58Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/9/6/96247c627dbda183da93f01104be672bd39e9a28.png) I’m confused are they using the one we just seen or are they designing a whole new tower?? ---
**Author:** ![YIMHudson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/yimhudson/32/2304_2.png) [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)\ **Post date:** [April 14, 2021, 8:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585/121 "2021-04-14T20:51:08Z")
as demonstrated by the various design iterations it seems to be in flux. Pelli did one for Merrill Lynch, Vinoly did the Facebook one, and now there’s the Foster one. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-penn-15-401-7th-ave-1-200-ft-61-floors/585.md?page=7)