# NEW YORK | Midtown West & Midtown South Zoning **URL:** \ **Category:** Zoning\ **Created:** [March 5, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845 "2021-03-05T23:42:28Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2021, 11:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/1 "2021-03-05T23:42:28Z")
The First Phase looks at the block between 9th and 10th Avenues, and West 30th and 31st Streets. Conveniently aligned with the portal to the Gateway Tunnel, this site will house the new Penn South Station and allow for New Jersey Transit to operate in its own space, permitting Long Island Railroad, and Amtrak to expand in the existing Penn/Moynihan complex and making room for future Metro North Trains. Above the station will be the new 270 bay PABT as well as office space for Amtrak and the Port Authority. The Lincoln Tunnel Expressway currently connecting the tunnel to this site will become a dedicated busway, streamlining traffic, and making the roads above more navigable for other vehicles. New pedestrian connections between the Proposed Penn South/PABT, Hudson Yards Manhattan West, and the Penn/Moynihan Complexes will be made as well. The Second Phase encompasses the demolition of the existing PABT and the associated ramps connecting it to the Lincoln Tunnel, as well as creating a platform over West 40th Street between 9th and 10th Avenues. The Third Phase includes clearing the three blocks located between 9th and 10th Avenues, and West 38th and 41st Streets, which was previously occupied by the PABT ramps, to be developed into a larger, more capable MSG with ancillary entertainment facilities. The added space will allow it to have a much higher capacity and more flexible functionality. The platform over West 40th Street will allow for a bi-level setup for delivery and access to the Arena. The old PABT can now be redeveloped. ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/d/5d8bb45062015ebf1547783a62b027324cb381e6.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/e/eeb09d67b8f936c333ae50a8a012649e5a03a14d.jpeg) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/f/4fe0a9f2fb6aa60d1eb5194f1340992b0a672747.jpeg) > **[A pedestrian friendly regeneration plan for West Manhattan devised by Crown...](https://www.scottbrownrigg.com/company/news/midtown-west-revitalization-plan/)** > > Read our latest news and thinking > **[Midtown West Masterplan by SB+C Architecture](https://www.scottbrownrigg.com/work/projects/midtown-west-masterplan/)** > > Design-led and powered by collaboration, we undertake projects across all major sectors, serving a growing national and international client-base. [https://www.instagram.com/p/CMAEFJaDJck/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CMAEFJaDJck/) Zoning ---
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 10:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/2 "2021-03-06T22:34:33Z")
What?! I mean… I love the idea of combining Penn South and a new bus terminal. I love the idea of moving MSG to the old bus terminal location. Untangling that mess of roads… yes! That’s all great. But that location for Penn South + new bus terminal is just dumb. It’s too far from the rest of Penn Station, too far from the major subway lines, and too far from the rest of midtown. I’m not even sure the tracks could be configured in a sensible way for that to work for NJT operations. And could you really fit an effective bus terminal into a space that small? Just going vertical only works to a certain point. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 10:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/3 "2021-03-06T22:51:05Z")
![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/8/c897502095ce24336ea5f2dd50c84277214dd5db.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/3/63443035a5e3d6e1561c43b434648e5a2610a7a4.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/e/4eb01692d26b20157dc4a69331f3fc43b99c0f9b.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/a/cafeedc8aababb44d305344bc98f746ad9992493.jpeg) ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/c/3c0b636ab29ec6e0cfe25f4885c6dbb4576f4056.jpeg) Credit [https://mobile.twitter.com/sbc\_architect](https://mobile.twitter.com/sbc_architect) > ---
**Author:** ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2021, 11:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/4 "2021-03-06T23:20:49Z")
None of this has actually been proposed yet. It’s just speculative. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2021, 7:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/5 "2021-04-01T19:19:52Z")
Another speculative project with the rebuilt the Penn and Madison Square Garden (II). > **[ReThinkNYC+2020-08-20A.pdf](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5f723bf7220aa368d86e80e5/t/60004f4f97718636e5bacab6/1610633058899/ReThinkNYC+2020-08-20A.pdf)** > > 0 B ![Photo by Richard Wilson Cameron on August 20, 2020.](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/6/d6e1aa7d9fd9a22059aa2a0dcd4b77efc7b2018d.jpeg) [https://www.instagram.com/p/CEH-BY0JM34/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CEH-BY0JM34/) ![Photo by Richard Wilson Cameron on August 20, 2020.](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/3/33b50e6e4d6f96331bd3de4246490e9507dabe78.jpeg) [https://www.instagram.com/p/CEH\_0DFplWs/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CEH_0DFplWs/) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/0/5/053f571364ea8c4f3827b16b6248dc230fb57f3c.jpeg) [https://www.instagram.com/p/CNCUbP8MFqE/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CNCUbP8MFqE/) ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/e/8e447b995532917196443cecbefc2d5a62b48ae9.jpeg) [https://www.instagram.com/p/CMxEPEcH8Ju/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CMxEPEcH8Ju/) Does anyone know more about the project? or whether these drawings are older? ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2021, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/6 "2021-06-14T23:15:08Z")
> **[Cuomo Announces Residential Plans for Midtown West](https://therealdeal.com/2021/01/14/cuomo-adds-housing-to-51b-midtown-west-project/)** > > Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that a major development surrounding Penn Station will include residential space, in addition to commercial. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 7:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/7 "2022-01-17T19:10:22Z")
[https://www.instagram.com/p/CPD3CepMciR/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CPD3CepMciR/) [https://www.instagram.com/p/CPRIXvWMHeH/](https://www.instagram.com/p/CPRIXvWMHeH/) ---
**Author:** ![Shane\_Keena](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/shane_keena/32/77791_2.png) [@Shane\_Keena](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Shane_Keena)\ **Post date:** [January 17, 2022, 9:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/8 "2022-01-17T21:20:20Z")
Give me a better location for 500, Alex! ---
**Author:** ![BK1985](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BK1985](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/BK1985)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 2:14am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/9 "2022-01-18T02:14:31Z")
It’s hilarious that these people think that Related would give up the western yards (which is the part that makes the real money for them) for the benefit of the Dolans and MSG ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 4:55am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/10 "2022-01-18T04:55:48Z")
How is the Western Yards making the money for them? I was under the impression that is was HY phase 1 that was the money maker and phase 2 was the public pleaser. ---
**Author:** ![BK1985](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eada6e/32.png) [@BK1985](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/BK1985)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 5:27am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/11 "2022-01-18T05:27:47Z")
If i remember correctly, the commercial portion of the eastern yards was done at cost. . ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 5:28am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/12 "2022-01-18T05:28:53Z")
Interesting. I did not know that. Well hopefully that’s more incentive for them to complete Phase 2 fast. ---
**Author:** ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/13 "2022-03-12T16:29:12Z")
The Hudson Yards including the large swath of undeveloped land in West Midtown is the largest development zone in New York City today. The number of projects either under construction or proposed is rather large. Please use this page to compile a list of all of the projects. I think it would be helpful to put the scale in perspective! ---
**Author:** ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/14 "2022-03-12T16:30:44Z")
Roughly the developments in this area… ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/8/58296d2e3563017d5bf133bb3983e5cc0886ef99.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![DeSelby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/df705f/32.png) [@DeSelby](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/DeSelby)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/15 "2022-03-13T00:14:45Z")
I think “Midtown West” would be a better name for this thread than “Hudson Yards”. I doubt most people would consider the Penn District or possible PABT redevelopments as part of “Hudson Yards”. While “Hudson Yards” generally refers only to the Related-owned parcels above the railyards, “Midtown West” is more of a catchall term that includes Hudson Boulevard, Manhattan West, the Penn District, and the PABT. ---
**Author:** ![Mackensen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mackensen/32/138218_2.png) [@Mackensen](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Mackensen)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2022, 12:43pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/16 "2022-03-13T12:43:51Z")
The Midtwon West master plan already has its own topic here in the forum. Thus we have this topic twice . > [@NEW YORK | Midtown West Zoning](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-masterplan/18845): > > The First Phase looks at the block between 9th and 10th Avenues, and West 30th and 31st Streets. Conveniently aligned with the portal to the Gateway Tunnel, this site will house the new Penn South Station and allow for New Jersey Transit to operate in its own space, permitting Long Island Railroad, and Amtrak to expand in the existing Penn/Moynihan complex and making room for future Metro North Trains. Above the station will be the new 270 bay PABT as well as office space for Amtrak and the Por… ---
**Author:** ![bmosborne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/bmosborne/32/78906_2.png) [@bmosborne](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bmosborne)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/17 "2022-03-14T00:21:28Z")
Just erase this then. ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/18 "2022-03-14T01:55:05Z")
Just merged into M.West Masterplan. ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 1:09am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/21 "2022-07-21T01:09:10Z")
No megatall is planned. So that is not a site for it ---
**Author:** ![007](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/007/32/119215_2.png) [@007](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/007)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2022, 4:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845/22 "2022-07-21T16:08:09Z")
Supertall > **[Revealed: 520 West 41st Street -- New York YIMBY](https://newyorkyimby.com/2014/07/revealed-520-west-41st-street.html)** > > YIMBY has the reveal for Silverstein's 100+ story and 1,100' tower coming to 520 West 41st Street in Midtown West, which will have 1,400+ apartments. [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-midtown-west-midtown-south-zoning/18845.md?page=2)