# NEW YORK | Grand Central Station/Mezzanine/Concourses Renovation **URL:** \ **Category:** Parks & Infrastructure\ **Created:** [September 13, 2014, 5:54am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980 "2014-09-13T05:54:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2024, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/81 "2024-02-28T12:25:35Z")
> **[Melba’s, a Harlem Staple, Is Opening in Grand Central](https://ny.eater.com/2024/2/26/24080295/melbas-harlem-melba-wilson-grand-central-expansion)** > > The restaurant that has hosted Meghan Markle and Prince Harry will open its third location this spring ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [May 7, 2024, 10:38am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/82 "2024-05-07T10:38:16Z")
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**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2024, 9:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/83 "2024-05-17T21:08:53Z")
The MTA released a video showing the train shed reconstruction at Grand Central and what it entails. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/e/6eb2961ab0f688be4209001e7b51bd715e7b23f3.jpeg "Grand Central Train Shed Roof Replacement Project") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGI5PRw3TsM) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 2:34am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/84 "2024-06-13T02:34:06Z")
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**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 3:46am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/85 "2024-06-13T03:46:58Z")
There’s plenty more on the MTA Flickr Page. [[Album] MTA Construction & Development Replaces First Segment of the Park Avenue... ![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/2/42b2fdcaeb88f9f787d673a62cc5c664a9c020cd.jpeg "MTA Construction & Development Replaces First Segment of the Park Avenue...") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/mtaphotos/albums/72177720317813807/) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 1:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/86 "2024-06-13T13:32:37Z")
Any possibility they are making more cut throughs for crosstown traffic? ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2024, 3:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/87 "2024-06-13T15:19:02Z")
No need for that. There are underpasses on every block beginning with 102nd Street. A few of them only provide pedestrian access because there is no crosstown traffic there on account of NYCHA developments that stand in the way. ---
**Author:** ![arctic\_camel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/arctic_camel/32/186335_2.png) [@arctic\_camel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/arctic_camel)\ **Post date:** [July 25, 2024, 2:56pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/88 "2024-07-25T14:56:02Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/2/72a9d81c5e7ab2393ebb763d765ace79118fa06e.jpeg "Why NYC’s Grand Central is So Hard to Build Around | Walking Tour | Architectural Digest") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_u1EgFTUw) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 1:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/89 "2024-07-28T13:44:13Z")
Good video. Explains that the new Chase building has not much more usable space compared to the Carbide building because of more elevators. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 10:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/90 "2024-07-28T22:10:52Z")
It’s also wrong. 270 Park Avenue is quite a bit larger than the old Union Carbide building was ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/91 "2024-07-28T23:21:32Z")
Believe what you will - ---
**Author:** ![TK2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tk2000/32/114212_2.png) [@TK2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TK2000)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2024, 11:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/92 "2024-07-28T23:24:28Z")
What do you mean by that? You know you can just Google to confirm instead of throwing someone’s statement down. Union Carbide had 1.5 million square feet, 270 Park Avenue has 2.5 million square feet ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/93 "2024-07-29T01:07:28Z")
Did you watch the video? ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 1:30am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/94 "2024-07-29T01:30:02Z")
**I** watched the video, it definitely seems there may have been a mix up between what buildings were being referenced, as the secondary figures being used to describe the floor area of the current 270 are more likely describing One Vanderbilt. Because it seemed like Mr. Potts was referring to ZFA (the usable area), the original 270 PA was indeed around 1.11 million ZFA, the present day 270 PA is 1.86 million ZFA. 750,000 ZFA more is not quite _not much more usable space_ as you’ve been led to believe through the video, especially since it is not counting mechanical and shaft area. The overall building GFA in general adding the mechanical space and shafts is still much larger than it’s original counterpart. 1.52 million GFA vs 2.50 million GFA as TK2000 correctly stated. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 1:45pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/95 "2024-07-29T13:45:17Z")
I was going by the comparable illustrations of floorplans/elevators. Are you saying the second set is actually One Vandy? ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/96 "2024-07-29T16:31:51Z")
No, the plans displayed still shows both iterations of 270 Park, but the information spoken in comparison was most likely mismatched with One Vanderbilt, which has 1.3 million ZFA. This building has 1.9 million ZFA. The video compared 1m ZFA to 1.3m ZFA, which is what is making you believe that this building has not that much more usable space when it is really 750,000 sqft larger in usable area and not \<300,000. The video also chose to compare the sky lobby floors of the larger plates when the majority of the large trading floors dont have all the middle elevators on them. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 29, 2024, 9:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/97 "2024-07-29T21:30:41Z")
Thanks for clearing that up. I’m assuming these trading floors are minus those extra elevator shafts as well. The whole thing is confusing. I expected better from AD. Maybe they’re upset the Carbide building is gone. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 2:46am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/98 "2024-07-30T02:46:28Z")
Architectural Digest, despite its name, is an interior design magazine. They may be out of their league here. They should not be confused with Architectural Record, which is an architecture magazine. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 2:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/99 "2024-08-27T14:35:26Z")
> **[City Winery Closes Grand Central Location Early](https://commercialobserver.com/2024/08/city-winery-grand-brassery-mta-grand-central/)** > > Grand Brasserie will serve up French staples in the 15,888-square-foot section of Grand Central after the closure of City Winery. ---
**Author:** ![ah504](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/ah504/32/67850_2.png) [@ah504](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ah504)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980/100 "2024-08-27T15:25:45Z")
Seems like a better fit than City Winery to be honest, particularly the design of the kiosks etc [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-grand-central-station-mezzanine-concourses-renovation/980.md?page=6)