# NEW YORK | Gateway Project (Hudson Rail Tunnel) **URL:** \ **Category:** Parks & Infrastructure\ **Created:** [May 19, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780 "2023-05-19T19:20:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/82 "2024-06-16T18:43:51Z")
Amtrak has replaced the whole catenary infrastructure in a few places recently, most notably the “New Jersey raceway”. > **[Amtrak Increasing Speed of Acela Trains in New Jersey Through Infrastructure...](https://media.amtrak.com/2022/06/amtrak-increasing-speed-of-acela-trains-in-new-jersey-through-infrastructure-investments-and-improvements/)** > > Significant milestone will improve reliability for customers across the Northeast Corridor NEW BRUNSWICK, NJ – Amtrak passengers can now travel even ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2024, 12:26pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/83 "2024-06-21T12:26:03Z")
It seems Amtrak has not yet replaced the catenary between New York Penn and Newark Penn. I believe the wires there date to the Alexander Cassatt days, which is part of the reason Amtrak and NJ Transit will be unusable most of this summer. > > > Alan Fisher @alanthefisher ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 23, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/84 "2024-06-23T18:29:59Z")
There is some truly ancient caternary infrastructure along that portion of the NEC. Amtrak needs to upgrade that portion of the line to constant tension like between Trenton and New Brunswick as it seems to not be plagued with these issues. Its definitely a much shorter distance so it is definitely doable and will definitely help prevent the meltdown the system is currently facing in that area. I doubt the new caternary on the Portal Bridge will be constant tension given the fact it uses the same 70+ year old PRR-style pole design. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 12:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/85 "2024-06-24T12:24:32Z")
Do you mind briefly explaining the dif between constant tension and the alternative? Just curious ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 1:40pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/86 "2024-06-24T13:40:29Z")
Amtrak: But hey we spent all this $ so you can recharge your laptop en route! ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2024, 11:39pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/87 "2024-06-24T23:39:04Z")
Constant-tension catenary uses weights to keep the wire from sagging excessively. The non-tensioned catenary does not have any tensioning, so you hear cases where the wires are sagging due to the climate such as the recent issues plaguing NJ Transit and Amtrak. This method is relatively new which is why it isn’t as widespread and is only really found on more recent installations of catenary. **Constant tension (note the weights):** ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/3/a3906ac9b9098a3e5e3d984235d7a8ec5651b223.jpeg) **Non-Tensioned:** ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/8/4855e2a95b725b42bb6b04a57e2bbd235b58b197.png) As you can see, non-tensioned wire is simply attached to the support structure without any sort of tension. It will sag in the heat as no weights are providing the tension to keep things rigid. Things get _really_ bad (such as getting pulled down) when the pantographs that are used to collect the electricity to power trains hit a sagged wire, especially at track speed. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 12:03am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/88 "2024-06-25T00:03:41Z")
Thank you for explaining that! Definitely makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![rbrome](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/rbrome/32/5724_2.png) [@rbrome](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/rbrome)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/89 "2024-06-25T19:44:48Z")
I snapped a couple of pics from the train while passing by this yesterday. ![portal bridge - PXL_20240624_131650626](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/f/af3b92f1377204ce50b7b5a31f917eaae6de1fcf.jpeg) ![portal bridge - PXL_20240624_131654463](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/6/d/6d54553dbe6503ed45114411100fe1ea629a6615.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [June 26, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/90 "2024-06-26T13:25:01Z")
I’m glad that by some miracle you got a train that was operating! ---
**Author:** ![pSL1988](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/psl1988/32/62659_2.png) [@pSL1988](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/pSL1988)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 3:20am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/91 "2024-06-27T03:20:25Z")
[![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/f/df72684e74c0458b3b0fcaab4ca328d0c3116a97.jpeg "Exclusive Tour of $1.7B Portal North Bridge, a Key Component of Gateway Program Between NYC and NJ") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGYX_shiEY) ---
**Author:** ![treebeard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/treebeard/32/173534_2.png) [@treebeard](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/treebeard)\ **Post date:** [July 2, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/92 "2024-07-02T18:49:43Z")
Thanks folkses. learned a lot ( couple rabbit holes along the way ) ---
**Author:** ![pSL1988](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/psl1988/32/62659_2.png) [@pSL1988](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/pSL1988)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/93 "2024-07-05T11:06:01Z")
What they will do to the old bridge once they completed the new bridge? Will continue to be used or will be demolished? ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [July 6, 2024, 2:58am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/94 "2024-07-06T02:58:02Z")
> [@pSL1988](#): > > Will continue to be used or will be demolished? Demolished. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/6/4611445adcba0145039d42067804ba97e6d78799.jpeg) Eventually, a 2nd copy of the new bridge will be built, known as the Portal _South_ Bridge. As for the bridge construction progress, a _lot_ has been done since the last update. A large number of the catenary poles have been installed and they are close to reaching the end of the span. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/9/89106eef97ee60b5f62974f965a0364e8d58628d.jpeg) Over the water, the piers are being cast, with one having the top half where the archest rest starting to be moulded and the presence of round rebar indicates that the 2nd in-water pier is going to be cast. Once both are fully casted, the delivery of the arches will likely commence. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/6/76a8b049e63a03d423492ec30b61bb0be9aeca17.jpeg) On the northernmost side of the bridge towards the City, not much is happening with the actual span, however, the retaining wall that holds the embankment where the tracks will merge with the existing NEC is well underway in construction and piers that will hold a short span over the former Erie trackage are being cast. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/c/8/c8a108d908e212044e44c4a00743b7aaf83d2657.jpeg) Tonelle Avenue construction is also in full force, with the excavation of the area where the first half of the bridge is nearing ground level, so hopefully once the digging reaches ground level and the site is cleared, the casting of bridge supports will then begin. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/e/5e711a6f7d0b0faac6973c17641738ed7580593f.jpeg) As for the actual arched spans, it seems the 2nd one was completed or nearing an advanced stage of completion. Hopefully, in the coming months, we will see the final arch being built. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/c/5cc6d3a51d730f0c307d8daa6eb481894c92affd.jpeg) A railfan recorded a video out the window of a train showing the progress on the bridge so we get a nice update from that POV as well. On one of the piers, fenders have been installed which serve to protect the bridge supports from collisions. The NYC-bound side’s fenders await installation. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/6/f63308f0f552c1ec40076e01c7128044becff499.jpeg "Amtrak's Northeast Corridor: New Portal Bridge Construction Update (7/1/24)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPwKyh__i2I) ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2024, 5:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/95 "2024-07-08T17:10:45Z")
> **[Who Will Pay For New Train Tunnel In NJ, NY? Feds Up Their Ante](https://patch.com/new-jersey/newarknj/who-will-pay-new-train-tunnel-nj-ny-feds-their-ante)** > > The federal government is now covering 70% of the Gateway Tunnel – a huge win for New Jersey and New York, officials say. ---
**Author:** ![pSL1988](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/psl1988/32/62659_2.png) [@pSL1988](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/pSL1988)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 2:55am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/96 "2024-07-09T02:55:05Z")
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**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 6:06am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/97 "2024-07-09T06:06:54Z")
> **[Officials announce $6.8B grant to fund long-delayed Gateway tunnel between...](https://abc7ny.com/post/gateway-rail-tunnel-project-officials-announce-68b-grant/15042403/)** > > The long-delayed tunnel between New Jersey and Penn Station in Midtown may not be completed until 2035. Its worth pointing out this quote: > Once the deal got the green light Monday, federal officials believe it passes the “point of no return” and cannot be reversed. This is excellent news. This funding hopefully ensures the project can proceed without risk of sabotage by a certain presidential candidate if they get re-elected. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/98 "2024-07-09T13:27:12Z")
I’m sure he will try his hardest. Supreme court has just given him incredible leeway. Batten down the hatches. ---
**Author:** ![pSL1988](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/psl1988/32/62659_2.png) [@pSL1988](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/pSL1988)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2024, 4:57pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/99 "2024-07-27T16:57:24Z")
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**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 6:47am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/100 "2024-07-30T06:47:51Z")
[NJ Transit’s facebook page](https://www.facebook.com/share/ChVz1s7HAxpcBH5D/?mibextid=qi2Omg) has a photo of one of the arches under construction in NY along with other project updates. The hint in the post “in Albany” checks out and confirms the arches _are_ at Port of Coeymans per my suspicions. The first arch is expected to arrive at the bridge site later this year. ![FB_IMG_1722321782187](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/9/f909eab0a18c27b4e76baea227bc52b02ce96796.jpeg) The two piers in the water also are being cast and those are the final components needed before the arches can be installed. ![FB_IMG_1722321825992](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/8/b8a9301739fbaefdf3732ed17d1990f21d60958b.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![JRF](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/jrf/32/136878_2.png) [@JRF](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/JRF)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 9:53am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780/101 "2024-07-30T09:53:01Z")
great picture of the tied arch span under construction, showing the struts they are using to maintain the geometry of the arch before the arch ties are installed. They will likely use a series of SPMT lines to drive that span onto the barge for its trip down the hudson. I expect they will use strand jacks or something similar to hoist the spans into place, but we will see later this year. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-gateway-project-hudson-rail-tunnel/22780.md?page=6)