# NEW YORK | Congestion Pricing **URL:** \ **Category:** Zoning\ **Created:** [September 26, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031 "2014-09-26T17:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 12:21pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/141 "2024-03-29T12:21:44Z")
Lawsuits galore > **[Rockland Sues the MTA Over Congestion Toll In Lower Manhattan](https://patch.com/new-york/newcity/amp/31706632/rockland-sues-the-mta-over-congestion-toll-in-lower-manhattan)** > > "The way this is being implemented is unfair and inequitable," said Rockland County Attorney Thomas Humbach. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 1:02pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/142 "2024-03-29T13:02:53Z")
Lower Manhattan is quite possibly the most transit-rich piece of land in the western hemisphere. Rockland county has multiple train stations and park and ride facilities (dispersed throughout the small county) that feed directly into the city. I’m absolutely convinced the people crying about “equity” and “unconstitutional discrimination” are people who have no idea what those words actually mean and just _don’t feel like_ taking a train or bus. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2024, 4:55pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/143 "2024-03-29T16:55:35Z")
> [@GentriVacation](#): > > I’m absolutely convinced the people crying about “equity” and “unconstitutional discrimination” are people who have no idea what those words actually mean and just _don’t feel like_ taking a train or bus. I’m sure they have convenient access to transit but refuse because “personal freedom” or whatever bs these detractors of this kind of stuff try to cook up to try and justify driving everywhere despite there being abundant transit options. ---
**Author:** ![GSPLover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/8c91f0/32.png) [@GSPLover](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GSPLover)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/144 "2024-03-30T19:35:58Z")
I think it is rooted in self centeredness. ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 2:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/145 "2024-03-31T14:09:05Z")
The pattern in London was it became a status symbol to drive in the congestion zone. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 2:37am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/146 "2024-04-04T02:37:57Z")
Unfortunately, this will not go direct to the US Supreme Court, as it is not a suit between the states (over which the high court has original jurisdiction). It’s taking the slow route to SCOTUS. > **[New Jersey Challenges N.Y.C. Congestion Pricing in Federal Court](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/nyregion/nj-congestion-pricing-federal-court.html)** > > A closely watched lawsuit could block or upend the city’s new tolling program, which will charge most vehicles for entering the busiest parts of Manhattan. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2024, 12:16pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/147 "2024-04-04T12:16:37Z")
At this point, i think the best chance congestion pricing has is if Steve Fulop wins next year’s NJ gubernatorial race. He’s openly supportive of it because he understands basic transportation principals. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2024, 12:13am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/148 "2024-04-05T00:13:07Z")
> **[NYC congestion pricing's fate could be decided in June, NJ federal judge says](https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-congestion-pricings-fate-could-be-decided-in-june-nj-federal-judge-says)** > > The timing leaves open the possibility that the MTA will be able to turn on the tolls that month, as it hopes. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 4:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/149 "2024-04-18T16:07:09Z")
> **[MTA set to send some congestion pricing money to NJ to mitigate impacts |...](https://www.amny.com/transit/mta-set-to-send-some-congestion-pricing-money-to-nj-to-mitigate-impacts/)** > > The MTA says it will send New Jersey some of the revenue it derives from congestion pricing to blunt negative impacts of the tolling scheme on certain Garden ---
**Author:** ![baronson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/baronson/32/190290_2.png) [@baronson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/baronson)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/150 "2024-04-18T16:12:07Z")
Oh I’m sure NJ will use the money to mitigate the “effects” of the toll and not divert it to expand their highways. 🙄 There should be a stipulation that the money should go to NJ Transit but I know that probably wouldn’t pass legal muster. ---
**Author:** ![tjr101](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tjr101/32/125010_2.png) [@tjr101](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/tjr101)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 9:52pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/151 "2024-04-18T21:52:47Z")
I had the misfortune of riding NJ transit last year and was shocked at how dated the interior of the trains looked. It was like riding in a train from way before my time. They certainly need the money, but that’s for another topic of discussion. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2024, 10:39pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/152 "2024-04-18T22:39:28Z")
Why? Why would you want to mitigate “impacts”? The impacts are the entire point. You want the impacts. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/153 "2024-04-19T12:40:04Z")
Tbf those were probably the [arrow 3 electric units](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_(railcar)), which aren’t the majority of the fleet anymore. They’re definitely dated looking but they can run without a diesel locomotive and there’s institutional knowledge on how to maintain them so NJT’s approach to them has been “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.” since replacing rolling stock is wildly expensive if it’s not an absolute necessity. That being said, they’re systematically being replaced by [comet v](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comet_V) cars and NJT has a contract with Bombardier to develop a similar, self-propelled version of the [multi-level cars already in use](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_MultiLevel_Coach). ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 1:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/154 "2024-04-19T13:29:45Z")
It would make more sense to divert it to PATH but that might stir up legal debate as well. ---
**Author:** ![MarshallKnight](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/marshallknight/32/40545_2.png) [@MarshallKnight](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/MarshallKnight)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 4:04pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/155 "2024-04-19T16:04:38Z")
Ideally, that’s what “mitigating impacts” looks like: investing on the Jersey side to give drivers more alternatives to get into Manhattan. Could come in the form of more connecting bus services, first/last-mile street improvements, increased frequencies, 24-hour service, expanding park-and-ride facilities, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2024, 10:23pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/156 "2024-04-24T22:23:28Z")
> **[New bipartisan legislation aims to kill NYC congestion pricing](https://abc7ny.com/amp/nyc-congestion-pricing-new-bipartisan-legislation-from-malliotakis-gottheimer-aims-to-kill-mta-plan/14726992/)** > > The legislation is the latest in a series of efforts to keep NYC's controversial congestion pricing from taking effect. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 1:55am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/157 "2024-04-25T01:55:57Z")
Let’s be real. NJT likely still hasn’t got the message about FRA requirements being changed to allow for trains not needing to be bricks and even the new Multilevel IIIs yet to be introduced are looking dated and are essentially stainless steel bricks. NJT should look to what Caltrans are doing and getting modern trains that don’t look dated or even CTRail who’s new cars while more conservative in design, aren’t absolutely ugly. CTRail’s are also from Alstom, who is building NJ Transit’s equipment. ![rawImage](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/a/2/a20be8de5e9d8b9fcf32648007f2815d004365f3.jpeg) ![Screen-Shot-2022-02-10-at-9.09.57-AM](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/5/858ddeab5a6baee2a73206bbc2692a3a1d3292bb.jpeg) Oh and we all know any money NJ is getting from congestion pricing is 1000% going to end up funding the much-despised Newark Bay Extension widening project, not NJ Transit whose fares are being hiked and desperately needs the cash. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 12:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/158 "2024-04-25T12:09:33Z")
> [@ALC11](#): > > any money NJ is getting from congestion pricing is 1000% going to end up funding the much-despised Newark Bay Extension ugh…I know you’re right. I can feel it deep in my bones. My only hope is Steve Fulop gets elected governor and cancels that shit. ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2024, 4:58pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/159 "2024-04-25T16:58:11Z")
I hope he turns the state into a development monster. He is a big YIMBY person. If what he has done to Jersey City can translate to the whole state of NJ… very good times for the Garden State. 🍻 ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [April 26, 2024, 4:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/160 "2024-04-26T16:09:32Z")
> **[MTA announces official start date for congestion pricing in New York City](https://abc7ny.com/amp/congestion-pricing-nyc-mta-announces-plan-will-start-on-june-30/14737687/)** > > New York City's congestion pricing plan officially has a start date. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031.md?page=9)