# NEW YORK | Congestion Pricing **URL:** \ **Category:** Zoning\ **Created:** [September 26, 2014, 5:32pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031 "2014-09-26T17:32:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 5:13pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/465 "2025-02-19T17:13:13Z")
January 5, 2025 - February 19, 2025 > **[Exclusive | NYC congestion pricing axed as Trump pulls approval of hated toll](https://nypost.com/2025/02/19/us-news/nyc-congestion-pricing-axed-as-trump-pulls-approval-of-hated-toll/)** > > Congestion pricing, we hardly knew ye. ---
**Author:** ![GentriVacation](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/gentrivacation/32/8324_2.png) [@GentriVacation](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/GentriVacation)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 5:24pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/466 "2025-02-19T17:24:12Z")
Bro this really is the worst timeline ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 5:34pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/467 "2025-02-19T17:34:44Z")
It is time for the governor to punish the Fourth Reich that has taken over the country. She can do so by terminating the employment of its gauleiter in New York City. Sadly she won’t. And sadly this comment will be flagged for moderation. So enjoy it before it gets removed! ---
**Author:** ![Blubbering\_Cactus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/blubbering_cactus/32/19342_2.png) [@Blubbering\_Cactus](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Blubbering_Cactus)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 5:54pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/468 "2025-02-19T17:54:40Z")
Are they actually stopping or is the administration just saying they don’t like it? ---
**Author:** ![WitTitsOrSTFU](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/wittitsorstfu/32/21942_2.png) [@WitTitsOrSTFU](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/WitTitsOrSTFU)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 5:55pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/469 "2025-02-19T17:55:38Z")
Consider it axed. There’ll likely be lawsuits, but I don’t have much confidence in them. ---
**Author:** ![s2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/s2000/32/176736_2.png) [@s2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/s2000)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 6:02pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/470 "2025-02-19T18:02:21Z")
Things are actually getting bleak, and I say this as an optimist. ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/471 "2025-02-19T18:45:26Z")
> **[Statement from MTA Chair and CEO Janno Lieber Regarding Legal Filing to...](https://www.mta.info/press-release/statement-mta-chair-and-ceo-janno-lieber-regarding-legal-filing-continue-benefits-of)** ---
**Author:** ![ramvid01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9dc877/32.png) [@ramvid01](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ramvid01)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 7:59pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/472 "2025-02-19T19:59:37Z")
The courts will decide whether he has the power to do so. In theory he does not but who knows now a days. ---
**Author:** ![Nickfloyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/nickfloyo/32/173662_2.png) [@Nickfloyo](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Nickfloyo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:29pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/473 "2025-02-19T20:29:15Z")
Is it still active or people won’t get charged starting today? ---
**Author:** ![s2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/s2000/32/176736_2.png) [@s2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/s2000)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/474 "2025-02-19T20:30:50Z")
Also wondering ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/475 "2025-02-19T20:35:49Z")
This is probably headed to a lawsuit where a frightened judge will declare congestion pricing as _void ab initio_, meaning the MTA will have to: (a) refund all fees/penalties paid by drivers beginning January 5 to their original method of payment, and (b) rescind all outstanding penalties post haste. ---
**Author:** ![Nickfloyo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/nickfloyo/32/173662_2.png) [@Nickfloyo](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Nickfloyo)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:42pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/476 "2025-02-19T20:42:40Z")
A refund!? So not only will congestion pricing end but the MTA will have to refund every driver? ---
**Author:** ![s2000](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/s2000/32/176736_2.png) [@s2000](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/s2000)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 8:56pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/477 "2025-02-19T20:56:10Z")
Doubtful ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 19, 2025, 9:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/478 "2025-02-19T21:51:14Z")
> **[Trump declares NYC congestion pricing dead, proclaiming 'LONG LIVE THE KING'](https://gothamist.com/news/trump-moves-to-stop-congestion-pricing-tolls-in-new-york-city)** > > A letter from the federal Department of Transportation says the government will rescind approval granted under former President Joe Biden. > **[Trump admin moves to halt NYC's congestion pricing program](https://cbs12.com/news/nation-world/dot-terminates-approval-for-nycs-congestion-pricing-program-new-york-city-kathy-hochul-department-of-transportation-sean-duffy)** > > The Trump administration's Department of Transportation on Wednesday terminated approval for the congestion pricing program in New York City. [https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2025/02/19/trump-congestion-pricing-nyc-approval-pulled/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2025/02/19/trump-congestion-pricing-nyc-approval-pulled/) > **[Trump Withdraws Federal Approval for Congestion Pricing, Blowing Hole in...](https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/02/19/breaking-trump-withdraws-federal-approval-for-congestion-pricing-hole-blown-in-transit-repair-budget)** > > The $9 toll is a burden on "working class" residents, according to DOT Secretary Sean Duffy, who ignored the millions of working-class regional residents who depend on transit. Expected, but unbelievable. This man hates anything that is actually good or makes sense. The MTA had better fight until the end to keep this successful program going. If other people can use lawsuits to halt Trump’s illegal moves, then the MTA by all means should do the same. An agenda is obviously at play. > In fact, Duffy sided squarely with drivers, who are, on average, wealthier than their transit-using neighbors, with an attack on the very premise of congestion pricing, which sought to rebalance the societal cost of driving. > > **“The revenues generated under this pilot program are directed towards the transit system as opposed to the highways," he wrote. "I do not believe this is a fair deal.”** This is really the worst timeline and he seems himself as a king. ![image](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/1/a/1a7450fafb563368e8465f25131a2d34af3c5daf.png) [The MTA has published a lawsuit. Read it here.](https://archive.ph/uFO1W) ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 1:50am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/479 "2025-02-20T01:50:59Z")
Even though Trump says he “killed” Congestion Pricing, unless a court orders the MTA to do so, they will continue to charge tolls and business will continue as usual. The MTA also filed their lawsuit first which gives them an advantage, so if the court outcome is initially undesirable, they can easily appeal the decision since they were the plaintiff, not Trump or anyone else in his orbit. The letter by Duffy saying “it’s dead” also is not valid either, considering there has to be an actual, _legal_ reason to terminate the program. Per the MTA Lawsuit: > 1. Neither the VPPP Agreement nor applicable law or regulations permit FHWA to unilaterally terminate the VPPP Agreement. This makes good sense. If FHWA had the right to unilaterally terminate a VPPP program that had already been approved and implemented, it would > create uncertainty around the future of such programs any time leadership at FHWA, USDOT, or the White House changed—uncertainty that may make it difficult to issue bonds for other projects > and would clearly undermine the purposes of the VPPP. > 1. To be clear, while the Trump Administration has purported to unlawfully terminate the VPPP agreement, its actions—as a mere signatory to a multi-party agreement—obviously do not require Plaintiffs to cease operation of the Program. **The status quo is that Congestion Pricing continues, and unless and until a court orders otherwise, Plaintiffs will continue to operate the Program as required by New York law.** It’s _extremely_ important to not take the words from trash such as the 'Compost too seriously since it’s misinformation at best and propaganda at worst. ---
**Author:** ![mcart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mcart/32/84718_2.png) [@mcart](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/mcart)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2025, 2:36am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/480 "2025-02-20T02:36:41Z")
A statement from the governor. ![IMG_2375](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/e/3/e36d11b368c7eb1ba0defdb46d503ef74bce5c94.png) > **[Statement from Governor Kathy Hochul](https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/statement-governor-kathy-hochul-59)** > > “Public transit is the lifeblood of New York City and critical to our economic future — as a New Yorker, like President Trump, knows very well." ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 12:34am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/481 "2025-02-21T00:34:35Z")
Schrödinger’s congestion pricing? Is it dead or alive? ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 2:07am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/482 "2025-02-21T02:07:40Z")
It’s still alive until a court orders the MTA to pull the plug. Regardless of whatever Trump, Duffy or any other one of those clowns in Washington say, unless a court orders the MTA to kill it, they can’t do anything other than send letters or act all tough and boast about “killing” it. More credible news agencies say the same thing I am saying. > **[NYC congestion pricing tolls staying on after Trump administration moves to...](https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/nyc-congestion-pricing-trump-mta/)** > > NYC congestion pricing scanners are staying on, despite President Trump's attempt to end New York's toll for drivers in Manhattan. > **[Can Trump legally kill congestion pricing in NYC? We're about to find out.](https://gothamist.com/news/can-trump-legally-kill-congestion-pricing-in-nyc-were-about-to-find-out)** > > Gov. Kathy Hochul and MTA Chair Janno Lieber on Wednesday presented a defiant front against the White House's order to kill congestion pricing. [https://pix11.com/video/congestion-pricing-in-effect-in-nyc-during-legal-battle/10475815/](https://pix11.com/video/congestion-pricing-in-effect-in-nyc-during-legal-battle/10475815/) > **['King' Trump Pulls Approval for Congestion Pricing: Can He Really Do This?...](https://nyc.streetsblog.org/2025/02/19/king-trump-kills-congestion-pricing-can-he-really-do-this-not-legally)** > > On the one hand: no! On the other hand, well, he certainly thinks he can! ---
**Author:** ![Waymond\_Womano](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/waymond_womano/32/7078_2.png) [@Waymond\_Womano](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Waymond_Womano)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 4:34am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/483 "2025-02-21T04:34:34Z")
How likely is the president to order the military to perform a physical destruction of the gantries? There is a precedent from Chicago. > **[How a Chicago airport was erased from the map 20 years ago](https://chicago.suntimes.com/2023/3/31/23662485/miegs-field-airport-mayor-richard-daley-bulldozed-notherly-island-plane-march-2003)** > > Two decades ago, bulldozers sent by Mayor Richard M. Daley destroyed the runway at Meigs Field. The move was seen then and now as an example of mayoral overreach. ---
**Author:** ![ALC11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alc11/32/81254_2.png) [@ALC11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/ALC11)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2025, 6:26am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031/484 "2025-02-21T06:26:45Z")
The president ordering the destruction of the gantries would surprise no one but it would be _extremely_ illegal. I don’t think he would do it (but won’t rule it out, he might threaten to if things dont go his way) since his usual strategy is to tweet about it and assume it’s a done deal. If that article cites the airport destruction as _mayoral_ overreach, Trump destroying the gantries would add to his ever-expanding _presidential_ overreach list. [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-congestion-pricing/1031.md?page=25)