Same design, most likely just some slight modifications. Once official renderings are released based on the new permit, that would be a good indication. The design could always be tweaked slightly, but the height will remain (spire). Although it would be nice if they could just add an extra 2 feet. It would then dethrone WTC1.
Thanks, Chris. Do you have inside info or are you speculating?
Yes I would like to know!
Maybe a slight modification with a setback or two?? That would be nice.
Really glad to hear about the higher roof height. #epic
Speculating but its based on the track record of the developer. They tend to modify some of their projects as the foundation work is occurring or sometimes even as its beginning to rise. There are renderings, but they are technically not official. Also, permit changes indicate some slight tweaks (very minor). These changes are not modifications where the whole structure changes shape and form.
We witness such modifications for example on WTC3 where work was occurring, but they took out certain parts of the cross-bracing, and tweaked the spire.
I’d like to see a more robust spire (as well as more roof height :)). So far this baby is living up to its billing!
I agree. Funny thing is that I think we got more than we expected. I remember when the height was estimated to be around 1,400’ or so, and many of us where content with that. When it was revealed that it would be a foot shorter than WTC1, it was kinda like a early Christmas present. The city has a way of surprising us.
I think it’s a special treat seing so many New York towers in various phases of construction. NEW YORK | 1,XXX FT - you know you are looking at a supertall here. And the crazy thing is, it’s just one of many! Totally unthought of not so long ago.
BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON AUGUST 25TH 2014 AT 3:30 PM
Excavation is nearing completion at both 220 Central Park South and 217 West 57th Street (hi-res of above photo at link), where earth has been moving very quickly since the last update. Both towers will soon make significant marks on the Midtown skyline, with 217 West 57th set to rival the top of One World Trade Center’s antenna.
Across 58th Street, the pit for 217 West 57th Street also continues to grow, though the scale of the future Nordstrom Tower demands additional work, compared to its slimmer neighbor to the north. The southern portion of the site looks to have bottomed-out, and machinery is dancing along a newly-formed cliff that divides the depths from the earth that must still be extracted.
Continued subterranean progress has also been met with activity above ground, and the first scaffolding is now rising over the roofs of neighboring structures; 217 West 57th’s cantilever will rise above these buildings, allowing east-facing units to dodge Vornado’s tower, which will partially block Central Park views.
BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON SEPTEMBER 8TH 2014 AT 7:00 AM
217 West 57th Street’s design remains in flux, but using the detailed blueprints YIMBY received earlier this summer — for the tentatively 1,775 foot tower — its overall impact on the skyline can now be rendered. Though official images from Extell remain lacking, the latest glimpse depicts the 92-story supertall’s appearance from several perspectives, and its domination of Midtown will be impressive.
An elevation profile gives a look inside the tower, and at its different components, which range from a Nordstrom at the base, to a hotel, and condominiums on the uppermost levels. They will peek above the future 220 Central Park South, just across the street, and culminate nearly 1,500 feet above street level, becoming the highest residences in New York City.
While 220 Central Park South will borrow from architect Robert A. M. Stern’s limestone touch, its taller companion will be an exercise in glass and metal, designed by architects Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill. Glass will dominate the facade, and “fins” will be clad in stainless steel, which will be the dominant metal. The building also includes painted aluminum louvers.
With news that Neiman Marcus will be anchoring Hudson Yards, and opening the same year as Nordstrom — in 2018 — 217 West 57th Street will arrive on the edge of a new retail boom in Manhattan. High-rent horizons are expanding well beyond Fifth Avenue and SoHo, and the West Side is finally receiving its due. Nordstrom will measure approximately 200,000 square feet, a moderate portion of the development’s approximately 1.3 million square foot overall floor area.
432 Park Avenue and 217 West 57th Street viewed from the rooftop at The Met
Viewed from The Met, the building will appear far taller than anything else in Midtown. With 432 Park Avenue’s ascent, the skyline has become somewhat skewed, but Nordstrom will stand nearly 400 feet above any other pinnacle, restoring balance between the East and West sides.
Taken in the context of the cityscape, the cantilever over the Art Students League is invisible, hidden beneath the forest of surrounding buildings. 217 West 57th’s defining feature will be sheer height, epitomized by the spires sitting atop the tower. Even if the final number does measure 1,775 feet — just a foot shy of One World Trade Center — the elevation of Nordstrom will make it the tallest point in the New York region, as the site is approximately 100 feet above sea level, whereas its Downtown rival sits just a dozen feet above the typical high tide mark.
The project has been codenamed ‘Project 865,’ and Extell’s renderings are apparently being crafted at Visualhouse, though the images remain elusive.
New permits relating to scaffolding indicate a roof height of 1,490 feet, which would be a very minor upwards adjustment compared to the diagrams. The number of condominium units has also been reduced to 199.
In terms of progress on the ground, excavation has made major headway in recent weeks, and the enormous pit is finally nearing its maximum size. Once all the debris has been removed, concrete pouring will begin, with completion currently expected in 2017-2018.
This is probably my favourite render out of the lot:
It’s just so futuristic, although this may not be the final design, the slenderness with the double spire (which I also love) just looks incredible
I really do hope they keep the s[ire/s to one side and that the height will remain unchanged (if not taller)
Also Yimby, I stil recall you mentioning something along the lines of that this may not be the tallest NY residential tower
I love it. Sleek, modern, and looks like a futuristic rail gun. Very sci-fi looking. We all wanted something unique, and I think we got it.
By me, taken last week! This stretch of rod was very hectic! Also on the other side of this site next to the arts college they were pumping concrete into the whole!
By Kate Briquelet, November 22, 2014 | 8:05pm
The high times aren’t going away in New York.
The city of just six years from now will be dramatically taller, with a series of luxury high-rises towering above Central Park, a new West Side development and downtown spires.
“The skyline is changing so much,” said Ondel Hylton, content director for CityRealty, the real-estate search site that generated this rendering of New York in the near future. “To see [the towers] together in one image takes people by surprise. A lot of people are shocked.”
…The Nordstrom Tower — at 225 W. 57th St. — will rival it at 92 stories once completed in 2018.
At 1,775 feet tall, it will be the city’s second-tallest building and just a foot shorter than One World Trade Center (and that’s only if you include the WTC spire).
BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON DECEMBER 2ND 2014 AT 6:30 AM
After over a year of waiting, the excavation process is finally winding down at Extell’s 217 West 57th Street, site of the future Nordstrom Tower. The enormous pit is nearly complete, and rebar is already being transported downwards, though it will take several more months before the Adrian Smith and Gordon Gill-designed skyscraper begins protruding above street level.
Across the street, the same kind of work is underway at 220 Central Park South, and the towers should race eachother towards the sky — and while 220 CPS is likely to take the lead initially, it will be the 1,775-foot 217 West 57th Street that ultimately crowns the Midtown skyline. Work on Extell’s project will take longer and be more complicated due to the project’s mixed-use format, which will include Nordstrom’s Manhattan flagship, a hotel, and condominiums on the upper floors.
Even without the spire on top, the structure’s roof will stand just shy of the 1,500-foot mark, topping all other buildings in the Western Hemisphere.
Minor concrete pouring already appears to be underway, and it seems that the first doorframe for Nordstrom’s future Manhattan home has already been completed. The tower’s rise will be slow and steady, and while the first baby steps are already evident, opening day is not expected until 2018.
This tower will rise in an era of unprecedented construction. I was playing around with the data over at the Skyscrapercenter, and used the parameters to generate this distribution chart. From 1904 to 2018 for buildings that are over 150m. This decade will see one the greatest increase in tall structures. Eclipsing the roaring 20’s.
CTBUH 2014 Shanghai Conference - Carol Willis, "The Logic of Luxury"
Shanghai, China. Carol Willis from The Skyscraper Museum presents at the 2014 Shanghai Conference closing plenary on “The Logic of Luxury: New York’s New Super-Slender Towers.”
By Nikolai Fedak on February 13, 2015
When YIMBY last checked on progress at 217 West 57th Street and 220 Central Park South, digging was still ongoing at both towers, with concrete pouring just beginning. By early December, excavation had started to wrap-up at 217 West 57th Street, and now, foundation work is well underway on both towers
Vornado’s 220 Central Park South looks to have seen slightly more progress than 217 West 57th Street, and the building will likely maintain its lead for the duration of construction, as its scope is significantly less hefty. Rebar is protruding across most of the site’s base, which will ultimately give rise to two separate buildings, one standing 950 feet/65 stories tall and fronting 58th Street, the other rising 17 floors next to Central Park South.
Across 58th Street, excavation now appears to be complete at 217 West 57th Street, which took a little over a year to dig-out completely. It appears that form-work for the building’s future core is also taking shape, and the concrete perimeter lining the “bathtub” is also nearly finished.
Both towers should peek above street level by the end of this year, and at that point, 220 Central Park South will likely shoot skywards fairly rapidly, as its entirety is residential. 217 West 57th Street will host Nordstrom’s flagship Manhattan location, and will also feature a major cantilever over the Arts Students League, and before the tower climbs beyond those points, its rise will likely be at a slow pace.
I like the design that Yimby revealed last summer, but I hope for something better.
We should see the final design within the next few months if what was said previously is true