# NEW YORK | 80 South St | 1,436 FT | 113 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Proposed\ **Created:** [June 11, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49 "2014-06-11T02:47:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![MrVenaCava](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mrvenacava/32/1526_2.png) [@MrVenaCava](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/MrVenaCava)\ **Post date:** [June 11, 2014, 2:47am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/1 "2014-06-11T02:47:53Z")
## [**Change of Plans: 80 South Street**](https://www.newyorkyimby.com/2014/03/change-of-plans-80-south-street.html) BY: NIKOLAI FEDAK ON MARCH 26TH 2014 AT 10:30 AM _80 South Street; Calatrava scheme at left, Morali’s plan on right_ > Plans for 80 South Street are changing once again, as Howard Hughes is looking to become involved with the site; the current owner is Cord Meyer, but Hughes is looking to take a controlling interest in the project. > While the New York Post speculated that Howard Hughes’ interest in 80 South Street was due to the issues encountered at the company’s other Seaport tower, atop the Fulton Fish Market, YIMBY has learned that is not the case, and that Hughes intends to proceed with both projects. > Per a representative from the firm, Hughes has a 100% commitment to move ahead with both the current work at the Seaport and the mixed-use project. > 80 South Street has seen several plans over the course of the last decade, with an initial scheme designed by Santiago Calatrava falling through during the recession; over the past two years, Morali Architects has taken the helm of the tower’s design aspect, and the most recent iteration was to stand 1,018′ to its pinnacle. > Despite the apparent progress on the Morali plan, it appears that SHoP may be taking over at 80 South Street. The firm will soon have several projects on both the Manhattan and Brooklyn skylines, with a 1,350′ tower at 111 West 57th Street set to become one of the tallest buildings in the city. > Whether SHoP is involved at all with 80 South Street remains to be seen, but given the firm’s previous work with Hughes on mixed-use projects, the speculation is justified. ---
**Author:** ![MrVenaCava](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/mrvenacava/32/1526_2.png) [@MrVenaCava](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/MrVenaCava)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2015, 6:00pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/2 "2015-01-09T18:00:38Z")
## [Howard Hughes buys South Street parcel for $100M](http://www.rew-online.com/2015/01/08/howard-hughes-buys-south-street-parcel-for-100m/) 3:46 PM, JANUARY 8, 2015 > The Howard Hughes Corporation has dished out $100 million for 80 South Street, a site just south of its planned (and controversial) Seaport tower. > The parcel, currently a five-story walkup, will likely be turned into another skyscraper. Queens developer Cord Meyer had previously secured the City Planning Commission’s approval of a 300,000-s/f hotel and residential tower designed by Morali Architects. Meyer later decided to sell the proposal and the site to Howard Hughes. The deal has now closed, according to property records. > Development of the 8,128-s/f parcel has been discussed for years. Frank Sciame had initially designed a tower with 10 townhome cubes for the site, but the project was shuttered during the recession. > With the purchase, Howard Hughes has cemented its position as of the dominant landlords around the South Street Seaport. In October, the Texas-based firm bought the 54,000-s/f rental building 85 South Street for $20 million. ---
**Author:** ![lowkeylion](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lowkeylion/32/1239_2.png) [@lowkeylion](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lowkeylion)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 1:42am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/3 "2016-02-11T01:42:14Z")
This tower now has over 1,000,000 square feet of air rights. This could be the tallest in NY. ---
**Author:** ![Vortex11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/vortex11/32/4487_2.png) [@Vortex11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vortex11)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:43am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/4 "2016-02-11T02:43:38Z")
Pardon my confusion, but doesn’t the former Hudson Spire site have more? I thought that site had like 3,000,000 sq ft? ---
**Author:** ![YIMBY](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/yimby/32/12_2.png) [@YIMBY](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMBY)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 2:44am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/5 "2016-02-11T02:44:19Z")
It does, but this site is residential vs. office. ---
**Author:** ![Vortex11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/vortex11/32/4487_2.png) [@Vortex11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vortex11)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 3:35am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/6 "2016-02-11T03:35:05Z")
Ah ok, so residential usually means taller and commercial means wider? ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 12:33pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/7 "2016-02-11T12:33:39Z")
Great news! ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 7:04pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/8 "2016-02-11T19:04:56Z")
Looks like 432 Park height. 1 million sq ft is definitely over 1200 feet + for a site like this. [http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/56bba518f92ea17e6c008b14/80%20south.jpeg](http://cdn.cstatic.net/images/gridfs/56bba518f92ea17e6c008b14/80%20south.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![lamtheSTIG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lamthestig/32/2206_2.png) [@lamtheSTIG](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lamtheSTIG)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2016, 8:07pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/9 "2016-02-11T20:07:36Z")
Where did you find this? That’s very interesting! The height comparison between this and 70 Pine Street (290m) is staggering! It must easily push 1,400ft? ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 2:40am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/10 "2016-02-12T02:40:45Z")
Sorry forgot the link. 🙂 > **[Tall Tower May Be Coming to Seaport After Air Rights Transfer](https://ny.curbed.com/2016/2/10/11029986/tall-tower-may-be-coming-to-seaport-after-air-rights-transfer)** > > The City Planning Commission has just approved the transfer of thousands of square feet of air rights from an adjacent lot to 80 South Street, a tipster has revealed to Curbed. The approval has... Quite a lot of potential STIG. This will be a big slap in the face for those backwards, communist like NIMBYS in the area. ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 3:01am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/11 "2016-02-12T03:01:15Z")
Great news , lads! I assume that this is just a massing model. This is the Age of Ramses, lads! ---
**Author:** ![Vortex11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/vortex11/32/4487_2.png) [@Vortex11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vortex11)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2016, 11:43am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/12 "2016-02-12T11:43:20Z")
While this is extremely exciting news, I’ve come to expect nothing until it’s well under construction. I wonder if this would be completed within 5 years? ---
**Author:** ![Vertical\_Gotham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/vertical_gotham/32/4525_2.png) [@Vertical\_Gotham](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vertical_Gotham)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:04pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/13 "2016-03-17T21:04:14Z")
1,436 feet 113 Floors > **[80 South Street | Howard Hughes Corp. | China Oceanwide](https://therealdeal.com/2016/03/17/howard-hughes-corp-finalizes-390m-development-site-sale-to-chinese-firm/)** > > China Oceanwide paid $390 million for 80 South Street, according to a statement released by the Howard Hughes Corp. on Thursday. * * * The building is expected to be 1,436 feet and 113 stories, according to documents filed with the planning commission. The building would contain 441,077 square feet of residential space and 376,707 square feet for hotel, officce or retail use. ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:09pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/14 "2016-03-17T21:09:13Z")
Nice! ---
**Author:** ![lamtheSTIG](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/lamthestig/32/2206_2.png) [@lamtheSTIG](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/lamtheSTIG)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/15 "2016-03-17T21:10:57Z")
438m tall niiiiice! A building with a higher roof than 1WTC, I approve. Maybe seeing as we’ve received multiple height increases on Steinway Tower, maybe we could see a few small jumps here as well? ---
**Author:** ![YIMHudson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/yimhudson/32/2304_2.png) [@YIMHudson](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/YIMHudson)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/16 "2016-03-17T21:19:28Z")
another drink this St Patricks day for this news! ---
**Author:** ![robertwalpole](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/robertwalpole/32/15739_2.png) [@robertwalpole](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/robertwalpole)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/17 "2016-03-17T21:25:42Z")
I like your thinking, Hudson! ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:31pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/18 "2016-03-17T21:31:25Z")
City is on fire. Wow! ☀ 45 Broad, 125 Greenwich, 3 WTC, 80 South… the super tall fiesta continues for JUST lower Manhattan. Unprecedented era we are in. ---
**Author:** ![Vortex11](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/vortex11/32/4487_2.png) [@Vortex11](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Vortex11)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:35pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/19 "2016-03-17T21:35:13Z")
This is solid! Almost 100 ft higher than WTC ---
**Author:** ![chris08876](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/chris08876/32/1617_2.png) [@chris08876](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chris08876)\ **Post date:** [March 17, 2016, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49/20 "2016-03-17T21:37:08Z")
I’m actually stunned. I knew this was going to be a super tall, but damn is this generous. Can’t wait for the renderings. It will add such a dynamic to a portion of the neighborhood that has never had a super tall. The flank facing the East River. [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-80-south-st-1-436-ft-113-floors/49.md?page=2)