# NEW YORK | 55 Willoughby St | 376 FT | 38 FLOORS **URL:** \ **Category:** Completed\ **Created:** [January 4, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915 "2022-01-04T15:50:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 2:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/21 "2024-06-27T14:51:46Z")
It also might make it more difficult to tear down the adjacent building when that time comes. Could also be a fire dept. regulation. ---
**Author:** ![chused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@chused](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chused)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2024, 8:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/22 "2024-06-27T20:10:29Z")
Maybe Stache but I suspect not. To build directly on top of the old building may require so much work to the old building that the developer may need to hire y and redo it. But that would require a buyout that neither may want. I don’t think it’s a code issue. There was a cantilever building that went down to the old one on Broadway in the 70s I think. ---
**Author:** ![5Bfilms](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/5bfilms/32/173622_2.png) [@5Bfilms](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/5Bfilms)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2024, 1:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/23 "2024-07-30T13:08:23Z")
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**Author:** ![bkhights](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/839c29/32.png) [@bkhights](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/bkhights)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 3:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/24 "2024-09-01T15:30:35Z")
![IMG_1620](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/b/e/bedd0e762f86bf37b29cd9eb6f3f67ef4654ff1e.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/25 "2024-09-01T17:30:39Z")
On the good/better/best scale of aesthetics - this rates a solid **GOOD.** 😔 ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 2:08pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/26 "2024-09-02T14:08:38Z")
It’s a tale of two cities all on one block. ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/27 "2024-09-02T16:36:01Z")
> [@stache](#): > > It’s a tale of two cities all on one block. **Exactly.** What is the paradox in the “tale of two cities”? One might ask! One notable line in ‘A Tale of Two Cities’ can be found in this opening line: **“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times”.** That comment highlights the simultaneous existence of prosperity and suffering… 😔 _Nice observation Stache… 😍_ ---
**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [September 6, 2024, 2:23pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/28 "2024-09-06T14:23:58Z")
![IMG_6886](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/5/d/5de4f1332ec7b8cb225028a0eb0e86d35df0d50e.jpeg) ![IMG_6885](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/1/f1aaba505f918ae4dbf0ca76446e1f06a86a1ce8.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2024, 9:10pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/29 "2024-09-15T21:10:15Z")
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**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2024, 1:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/30 "2024-09-18T13:25:08Z")
![IMG_7071](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/7/9/7916efa37f77ce6ceeae21ed21eba27bfd27887a.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/31 "2024-10-25T23:38:08Z")
![IMG_7665](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/d/f/df529c29561f5deb41e74b25a27a4dbb97ddca3c.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![stache](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/stache/32/30186_2.png) [@stache](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/stache)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 1:33pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/32 "2024-10-26T13:33:42Z")
Wow this one got hit with the ugly stick. ---
**Author:** ![Alemel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/alemel/32/91966_2.png) [@Alemel](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Alemel)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 3:25pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/33 "2024-10-26T15:25:38Z")
They are definitely not shy about the cantilever. ---
**Author:** ![TKDV](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/tkdv/32/83069_2.png) [@TKDV](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/TKDV)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 3:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/34 "2024-10-26T15:51:32Z")
I think it’s a bit jarring because the render didnt really show the stark transition between the gray and white panels, so it was hard to see where the white (as it exists now) would stop but it seems like an awkward decision to have stopped it where it was stopped. The soffit of the cantilever being bumped out past the facade is also not nice. I feel like all recently designed cantilevered buildings in the city have no idea how to properly resolve the cantilever in the design, there are only a few that do somewhat of a good job in integrating the cantilever into the design. ---
**Author:** ![chused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@chused](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chused)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2024, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/35 "2024-10-26T18:51:10Z")
This is another example of a cantilever engineer showing off technical prowess at the expense of architectural talent. it’s awful. ---
**Author:** ![5Bfilms](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/5bfilms/32/173622_2.png) [@5Bfilms](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/5Bfilms)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2024, 9:27pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/36 "2024-10-27T21:27:58Z")
![BCS_2024-10-27_GFX-178](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/d/fd055637df2b09fac10460e8e00c297b2f499a69.jpeg) ![BCS_2024-10-27_GFX-157-3](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/6/466952e835cfb80d1c7210cd7cfc5e77361ea5e5.jpeg) ![BCS_2024-10-27_GFX-157](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/8/5/8564ee9cf2e9236132cde988bb7347a576ca247a.jpeg) ![BCS_2024-10-27_GFX-150](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/f/1/f1c603333acc9b005c0cc04c565b8f9c44ff99b9.jpeg) Look ma, I’m cantilevering! ---
**Author:** ![Cedar\_B](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/cedar_b/32/124121_2.png) [@Cedar\_B](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/Cedar_B)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 8:07am UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/37 "2024-10-28T08:07:59Z")
I’m not a big fan of cantilevered buildings but this one isn’t bad. ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 12:53pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/38 "2024-10-28T12:53:00Z")
> [@Cedar\_B](#): > > I’m not a big fan of cantilevered buildings but this one isn’t bad. **How can you NOT be a fan of this building?** ![Fallingwater-rep-1-1536x1124](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/4/a/4a3427edf7cf91f4b101bb320c7ff255d2d5da21.jpeg) LOL, just kidding - I know what you mean. _Those odd protrusions on NYC towers always compromise the Architectural integrity of the overall form factor. My understanding is the purpose of the cantilever is to squeeze out a bit more usable square footage from the zoning lot - an unfortunate compromise._ 😔 BTW - I have 4 other posts on this thread. Please click on my **inforshare** tag above to see all other comments/links/photos. **A follow on my IG account would be nice. 🙃** ---
**Author:** ![chused](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/90ced4/32.png) [@chused](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/chused)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 6:19pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/39 "2024-10-28T18:19:38Z")
My main issue with cantilevers like this one is the void between the old building and the hang over structure. There are settings where the new structure extends all the way down to the building below. That can work well to integrate the architecture of the new and old. But these hangover cantilevers are almost impossible to make aethetically pleasing. To me, they are are almost always ugly. ---
**Author:** ![infoshare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.newyorkyimby.com/infoshare/32/18825_2.png) [@infoshare](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/u/infoshare)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915/40 "2024-10-28T21:37:34Z")
> [@chused](#): > > My main issue with cantilevers like this one is the void between the old building and the hang over structure. That gap - as I understand it - is one of those **form-follows-function** inevitabilities of “modern” architecture. The “program requirements” drive these decisions; in this case some such requirement created that odd gap below the cantilever. I don’t care for the look either. This was an unfortunate compromise, that only happens occasionally where we see a section of the building awkwardly hangiing over a neighboring building. **Even when the cantilever on the new building “extends all the way down” it looks CaCA… 🥴** BTW. This short video is expounds on the various principals of modern, traditional, and post-modern architecture. Enjoy. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/uploads/yimby/original/3X/3/7/370659ca23e5cfe858af2d3a1e89a0717c082002.jpeg "Form Follows Function in Architecture") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaxODmFnN6U) [Previous page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forum.newyorkyimby.com/t/new-york-55-willoughby-st-376-ft-38-floors/20915.md?page=3)